++Are you telling me that unshielded Lightning Audio cable is as good as Streetwires ZN5.0's??? I don't think so. Part of properly setting up a system, and I think everyone will agree is having the proper wire for your requirements. Whether it's the kid who just wants some bass or someone like me who wants it all and doesn't really care if it costs twice as much.
sheilding is ONLY neccessary if there is noise inherent in the system design. it's simple. the only thing that needs to be proper is the type and size. otherwise, trying to eliminate noise by purchasing expensive wire is akin to putting band-aids over herpes sores. it may seem to help mask the problem, but it's not actually doing anything to cure it.
Originally posted by jaxsvt: ++Dude, was it "clear" or "inferred" make up your mind as they are opposite in meaning in this context. Kinda like "Oxy-moron". I can certainly agree that the audio forum members have little tollerance for perpetuating myth... So, what myth is it that I am prepetuating...???
your lack of a firm grasp on the usage of the english language doesn't suprise me. the two words are not opposite.
you are clearly inferring (insinuating)that more expensive cables help your system sound better. which is one of the biggest myths in audio, especially car audio. if it's not a myth, prove it. show us some evidence.
Originally posted by jaxsvt: ++I never asked anyone to do anything. Please... "You are truly the king of double standards" Get over yourself MX. Unless you have something specific to say reguarding the post at hand - just be quiet and observe.
i didn't say you asked for anything sparky. your whining about it speaks for itself. and i have no need to get over myself. i'm not the one on here telling everyone his stuff is the best, am i? as for specifics.... your opinions regarding wiring are simply a product of clever marketing and a litany of mis-information that has been perpetuated by know-nothings who have only hearsay to back up their positions.
is that specific enough for you?
Originally posted by jaxsvt: ++I don't care if you listen to it or not.
thats funny, you mentioned that we should come up and listen to it twice in the last two pages.... i think perhaps you do, in fact, care.
Originally posted by jaxsvt: And who cares about the money? This money issue has been harped on enough already. Did I ever say that money was an issue? Did I ever say that you couldn't build a good system for less money?
i could care less how much you've spent on your system. there are more than a few of us here who have spent exceptional amounts of money in the pursuit of excellence in the arena of automotive audio reproduction. but it's our hobby, and not an area of bragging rights or one-upmanship.
Originally posted by jaxsvt:
Did I ever say that you couldn't build a good system for less money?
actually, you said:
"I invite you to come over and listen for yourself. Are there good sounding alternatives for less money - yes. Do they sound this good - not a chance in hell.
and that would be our point of contention. because i think there is a pretty good chance, right here in good old michigan, that it would sound better.
Originally posted by jaxsvt:
About the only person who seems to be caring about the money is MX and dnewma04. Do you guys need some money or something?? Are you broke? I'd be glad to help out a fellow CEG'r if they could prove to me that they could pay it back.
it's not about the money, it's about proving you wrong. but i'm not going to spend time and money to do so without getting paid (and believe me, we would get paid) in the end. otherwise, i'm not going to spend the money to just shut up another keyboard commando.
Originally posted by jaxsvt: I guess all there would be is a couple stipulations. You build your system but you can't use any of the equipment that I use. So, No Boston Acoustics
crap! no harsh tweeters? how will we win???
Originally posted by jaxsvt:
JLAudio
nice but exceptionally overpriced.
Originally posted by jaxsvt:
Eclipse
see above
Originally posted by jaxsvt:
Dynomat
see above
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and let's not forget MONSTER CABLE.
i'll use wire from the hardware store. how about that?
Don't forget... you're gonna build it for half the cost of mine. Don't forget to pay yourselves(master installers) for your time as well. Let's see 10 hours at $50 and hour - a modest fee for the obvious audio gueniuses that you two are. And tax on the equipment(retail cost here guys) none of this deep employee discount stuff. So I figure you have about $2,000 to spend.
i won't be paying myself because i'm not an installer, nor is dave. and neither of us get any sort of employee discount. but that doesn't mean we are going to pay retail either. just because you're a sucker doesn't mean everyone else has to be as well.
since you won't do this for money (as you have nothing to lose if you don't), this is all just conjecture.
again, as dave stated, nobody is bashing your system. just contending a few of your points is all.
Originally posted by jaxsvt:
Whether it's the kid who just wants some bass or someone like me who wants it all and doesn't really care if it costs twice as much.
i guess thats where the difference lies. perhaps you just feel better about your system design if you spend extra money on cabling. the rest of us simply know better.
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