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Originally posted by mikey boy:
liberal?
ummmmmmmmmmmmm, if you think of everything as a cycle (circle like the top of a glass) where the polar opposites lay on that plane are soooooo far apart that they are actually very close together.

i think you are trying so hard not to be a liberal that you are, in fact, one of the biggest red eyed liberals to ever grace this land. you work so hard at trying to convince everyone that you arent a liberal that you give yourself away. you cant even argue conservative points without becoming a big ball of hate and name-calling because you dont know what a conservative is.




That's the biggest crock of [censored] I've ever read.

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not an appropriate answer. why is it the biggest crock of [censored] that you have ever read? what dont you agree with and why? did i hit close to the mark?


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Actually helping the economy in other countries may help the economy in our country, maybe not a lot but a definite difference.

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Originally posted by mikey boy:
liberal?
ummmmmmmmmmmmm, if you think of everything as a cycle (circle like the top of a glass) where the polar opposites lay on that plane are soooooo far apart that they are actually very close together.

i think you are trying so hard not to be a liberal that you are, in fact, one of the biggest red eyed liberals to ever grace this land. you work so hard at trying to convince everyone that you arent a liberal that you give yourself away. you cant even argue conservative points without becoming a big ball of hate and name-calling because you dont know what a conservative is.




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Originally posted by mikey boy:
not an appropriate answer.




I must have missed the meeting where you were appointed judge of what's an appropriate answer or not.

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OK guys.....
With all due respect..etc.etc., I can say that there is a vast amount of misconsception in this thread...Ive time for a few points..

1) HIV consumes about 50% of the NIAID/DAIDS (branch of NIH) budget in US..IIRC about 30 Billion per year. To treat about .5 million patients. 3 billion more a year is about 10% more...not trivial but lets keep perspective..

2) The 15 Billion going to africa is earmarked for drug costs and healthcare infrastructure, prevention work. NOT for research (totally separate funding situation). Prevention or treatment in Africa will have negligable benifit DIRECTLY in US in terms of cases here. VERY limited cross Atlanic transmission is occuring. This is not the reason for the money.

3) I've talked directly with people involved in this..the message we give is humanitarian, which is part true. The REAL reason (like the real reason for Iraq) is between the lines. HIV is consuming vast proportions of sub-Sahara countries GDP, heath care funds. It is wiping out between 10-50% of young adult workforce. It is threatening to drive economic collapse on a continental scale. This will have an effect on the US economy at some level. In addition, this is the substrate for OTHER INFECTIOUS OUTBREAKS that MAY migrate to the US. It hs already reversed the WHO planned eradication of polio and several parasitc infections, vastly increased TB. Billions in heathcare investments in past years have gone down the drain secondary to the AIDS pandemic.

Finally, this is a substrate for problems including civil war, mob rule, and anarchy. A fertile ground for terrorism. Did you know that AlQueda is moving in large numbers to the region...and we have signif numbers of special ops in Africa to counter this?

Research before conjecture..

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