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Originally posted by The Striped SVT:
Like Rush said today, "keep up your fly and don't die" I think its amazing that the libs say George W doesn't care about AIDs patients and here he's giving 15 BILLION over 5 years, or is it 10? Whatever it is, its more than the rest of the world is giving, I assure you that George W. Bush is 04'




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Originally posted by The Striped SVT:
Like Rush said today, "keep up your fly and don't die" I think its amazing that the libs say George W doesn't care about AIDs patients and here he's giving 15 BILLION over 5 years, or is it 10? Whatever it is, its more than the rest of the world is giving, I assure you that George W. Bush is 04'




The "libs" as you would say are upset about what is included in the "aid" package. One clause is that the drugs used to fight AIDS must be non-generic. Now, tell me. WHO is going to get the most benefit from that?

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I think the US should lead the search for a cure. I don't think trying to save those with AIDS is going to get us anywhere. I haven't read about where this $15 billion is going, so I shouldn't come out in support of it.




It going to smaller countries (Carribean, African, SE Asia)that are primarily major US trading partners (major for their size anyhow), subscribe to teach Bush's Abstinence Program, and they must buy only US prescription medication.

It is primarily money for treatment, not money for cure. But the money comes right back to bolster US pharmaceutical companies.

The big fuss currently is that the US refuses to give money to a larger Global Fund that is distributedd to 120-some-odd nations. In the past the US has given 1-4B a year, but this year we aren't giving anything in favor of Bush's new plan to give $3B/year to a select group of nations that meet our requirements. Next year Bush is giving $200M to the Global Fund in addition to his ongoing plan -- still more than anyone else.

While I understand the UN's problem with the rules -- you can treat 5 people on generics for the price of treating 1 person on US drugs -- if we give twice as much as the rest of the world combined, a little say in how its' spent isn't too much to ask for.


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not that I smoke but the tax is now $2.00 a pack, so a pack is like $4.00 at least,





Not really, I pay $2.75 w/ tax. If it went to $7 like in NY, I would definately quit.


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Originally posted by Davo7SVT:
Originally posted by PackRat:
AIDS is preventable. Why should the US be out any money because Africans want to [censored] each other like animals?




I don't see AIDS as a continental problem. It's more global, and we are on this globe, right? You live in a cave if you don't know that AIDS is here too.




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I think the US should lead the search for a cure. I don't think trying to save those with AIDS is going to get us anywhere. I haven't read about where this $15 billion is going, so I shouldn't come out in support of it. But I think that part of our responsibilities as world leaders is to invest in a cure for a disease that affects the entire globe.




A cure wouldn't be necessary if people would stop acting like animals.

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Yes, it would be nice to say "it's not our fault, so why should we lose money because of it", but I think we're dipping into 'inhumane' territory if we do that.



I have no problem being "inhumane" when it comes to this.

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nice idea, but more is needed and I don't mean money.
I was reading today, where in one part of Africa, the men boast, (yes, boast) about having AIDS, because it means they are sexually active.....same story, different sentiment, since they only have 5 years to live, they don't care about the cure or prevention.....and things are just as bad in SE Asia, but those countries try to keep it from being publicized, so tourism doesn't suffer.


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Originally posted by PackRat:
AIDS is preventable. Why should the US be out any money because Africans want to [censored] each other like animals?




Maybe you should do some research before you talk? Let's get a few things straight. The sex practices on the continent of Africa are no different then here. I guess anyone having sex is an animal? Maybe you should try it sometime, it may calm your ass down.

The spread of AIDS is due to many factors....

1. Ignorace on the matter.
2. The way in which sex is viewed. That leads to more risk of coming in contact with someone the HIV virus.
3. Multiple partners.

Now tell me what is different then what goes on here?

Here are a few links for you to read up on.

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Rural women carry family burdens




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Originally posted by Antonio:

1. Ignorace on the matter.







you hit it right on the head. i have a friend that has been going to africa for the past 3 summers to educate people on the virus. she said the single biggest problem is that the people dont even know that there is a problem. she has come up with a solution that involves printing currency with aids information on the actual bill. we will see what happens with that.


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Originally posted by Antonio:
Originally posted by PackRat:
AIDS is preventable. Why should the US be out any money because Africans want to [censored] each other like animals?




Maybe you should do some research before you talk? Let's get a few things straight. The sex practices on the continent of Africa are no different then here. I guess anyone having sex is an animal? Maybe you should try it sometime, it may calm your ass down.





No [censored] anything that walks is having sex like an animal.

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The spread of AIDS is due to many factors....

1. Ignorace on the matter.
2. The way in which sex is viewed. That leads to more risk of coming in contact with someone the HIV virus.
3. Multiple partners.

Now tell me what is different then what goes on here?





Personally, I think we should do NOTHING. Call it population control. The stupid kill themselves off while the intelligent survive.

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Most African populations that I'm aware of aren't too hot on Puritan principles and view sex in a somewhat different fashion that here in the US, especially among deep 3rd world African nations. Promiscuity and polygamy is, dare I say, more commonly practiced in the bulk of AIDS-torn Africa, where education on the consequences of such practices is sadly lagging in light of the epidemic that is surging across that region.

If you look at the demographics, there's NO denying that Africa is THE AIDS/HIV hotspot on the planet.

What to do about it?

Well, if you're France, you whine, piss and moan about an entity that is putting more money into the relief fund that it EVER could, even if it wanted to put in more.

Chirac and his cronies are the biggest bucket of self-serving, arrogant, stuck-up pukes that have come out of Europe since Mariah Carey had her last concert there adn came back to the US...

Ok, had to get it out of the system.

Anyway:

Of course we are going to add stipulations to how that money is going to be spent (see Iraqi Oil for Food program for some of the reasons why ). It's OUR money that WE are shelling out here. Given that by far and away the largest percentage of AIDS cases are developed by sexual contact, there are two immediate solutions:

1) Abstinence - If you want to be DAMN sure you don't get the disease, keep your urges to yourself. If not, roll the dice and see what you come up with. It's pretty simple. As I'm not fond of getting poison ivy or snakebites when I'm out camping, I don't knowingly walk in fields of the crap and I don't play with slithering things that have rattles on the end of their tails. While liberals are climbing all over each other to denounce the move as a "Christian" based policy, I simply see it as logic.

Roller-coaster rules apply here: "Keep all your extremities in control and inside the cabin during the remainder of the ride".

Pretty simple and makes sense, no?

2) Condoms - Next best thing, but still risky in my book. It all depends if you are a gambling man (or woman), I guess.

Flip-side:

We are also protecting biotech firms that have invested billions in research and have control over patents here Stateside with the stipulations, too. If you are in favor of protecting the US economy and jobs here, then you are in favor of this particular stipulation, as I GUARANTEE that if these companies let loose on their patent holdings (before they expire) for generic drug-manufacturers to get their hands on, they will be flooding markets with their cheaper medicines and will more than likely kill any break-even chance that these US companies have on their research.

If this is done, then where is the incentive for further research, if there's no profit to be made in it?

There's no free lunch here and that's what socialists and many in the UN just simply don't understand. If France and those in the UN that are screaming the loudest really wish to have an impact, I suggest they scrap together money to purchase the patents from the PRIVATE enterprises here and abroad, where they can then do damn-well whatever they please.


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