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#1003424 07/15/04 02:45 AM
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My buddy has 3 dogs in his house. A chocolate lab (gentle baby) and 2 pitbull/mastiff mix's. God help anyone that breaks in there...


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My Dad's co-worker had an alaskan huskie/wolf mix. There was a small pool of blood below the milk shoot after one vacation.


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Originally posted by caltour:
...How do I make sure the gun isn't used against ME if I come home and surprise a burglar in the house? How do I keep it quickly accessible to me but not to kids, burglars, etc?




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Very cool link Jato... I saw one once that you put all 5 fingers on a handprint indention. At the tip of each finger there is a little button. You push down on certain fingers to unlock the case.


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Would something like that open quick enough? My boss has a Bull Mastiff. He's geting a little older, but he still weighs in around 160lbs. My boss can use his collar as a belt. As for someone saying a dog would attack a kid instead, that's why you train them. Like the police do, pick words from a foreign language or something like that. Maybe the police have it right. Get a shot gun, a hand gun, a dog, some pepper spray, a beater stick AND some backup!


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Originally posted by RyeLou:
Would something like that open quick enough?



I haven't tried the biometric safe like the one I posted, but I've played with the pressure plate models where you key in a sequence with your fingers. I got the one I played with down almost as fast as yanking a gun out of a holster underneath the bed...

Originally posted by RyeLou:
My boss has a Bull Mastiff. He's geting a little older, but he still weighs in around 160lbs. My boss can use his collar as a belt. As for someone saying a dog would attack a kid instead, that's why you train them. Like the police do, pick words from a foreign language or something like that. Maybe the police have it right. Get a shot gun, a hand gun, a dog, some pepper spray, a beater stick AND some backup!




Dogs are also a good way to go as I have a pair of Daschunds which have turned out to be amazing backup alarms for the house. Don't laugh, but I've had my little Daschund female of 16 lbs. chase after a 100lb. Black Lab when it came into our garage one afternoon. It was astonishing to see the degree of protectiveness they have in them, even though all they would make for an intruder is a nice football.

Regardless, they are EXCELLENT backup alarms. If something goes "bump" in the house or even around it and within earshot, they start barking and immediately tear off towards the noise.

Finally, security should be done in layers. Motion cameras, a house alarm, dogs and a sidearm make a complete package. My dogs are a joke compared to a trained Doberman, but they've unintentionally managed to round out the package. You'd be surprised what you can do with a fairly small amount of money. I did a video surveillance system around my house a while back that ran a touch over a grand (Come to think of it, I did get a very steep discount, though. Bad example, maybe). With the cheapo WiFi cams these days, one could probably bang together a system for a third of that.

Heck, well-placed and highly visible dummy cameras will scare off 90% of the thieves out on the prowl, though there's always that 10% that either doesn't care or is whacked out of their minds on something.

That's what the rest is for...


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Terrible to hear about your neighbor. I hope justice is served on the perpetrator.

A handgun is not the ideal weapon for home defense. It should only be used to make your way to your stash of long guns.

In my opinion, a shotgun loaded with buckshot is the best home defense weapon.

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Originally posted by fdunford:
Terrible to hear about your neighbor. I hope justice is served on the perpetrator.

A handgun is not the ideal weapon for home defense. It should only be used to make your way to your stash of long guns.

In my opinion, a shotgun loaded with buckshot is the best home defense weapon.






I disagree... I do have Remington 12ga, though I have slugs in it rather than buckshot (can't use the buckshot on the range), but fwiw, I prefer my Smith & Wesson .45 for home defense. Its much more mobile than my 870, I can keep it on the stand next to my bed, or even under my pillow if I'm feeling paranoid enough, rather than in a closet or under my bed.

More importantly, I can level and fire half my clip on the .45 in the time it takes me to pump, level, aim, fire, and pump my shotgun once. One guy in your house, if you're a good shot its a tossup, but I've got 4x the chance of hitting him than you do... but what about two people in your home?? How do you get one shot off, then quickly get over to the second? For that, a handgun is much easier, and thats why I prefer my .45 over my 12ga.

Though there is certainly something to be said for the sound of pumping a shotgun... scariest sound in the world.

As an aside, I primarily use my Sig 9mm (along with JaTo, IMO a GREAT gun... Sigs are amazing) when I carry (I do have my ccp). Its smaller, lighter, holds more rounds, and has a great trigger action. My only complaint is that it doesn't have a safety, and I'm always a little leery about carrying a gun in the back of my pants or on a shoulder/hip holster that could potentially go off when I don't want it to. I also have 2 .357 mags and a .38 special, but those guns are just too brash for me. The .38 is nice, small and simple, but too rough compared to the silky smooth, light recoil, semi-automatic buttery goodness of my Sig or the .45.


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I disagree with you, and you disagree with me. Thats the beauty of our country

A good shot, right. Shooting at a range is tons different that shooting at a human, and under pressure, or worse under return fire! I'll stick with my semi-automatic loaded with buckshot (our use one of my handguns to get to it).

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I've got the ideal setup I think.
Home Security System
90lb Pit Bull
8" Bowie Knife under the mattress
and if all that fails
a Ruger .357 Magnum revolver with hollow points.


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