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Last week after changing an O2 sensor and the air temp sensor, and getting some good advice from the goup, I got my car to pass NYS emissions inspection. Since I made good headway with that, yesterday, I decided to fix the AC, which was very low on charge, and then I looked at the cruise control, which hadn't worked for years. Found some strange stuff with that. I also noticed the insulation on some harness wires is starting to crumble. There is no insulation around the EGR sensors & vacumm switch. The wires are spaced so they don't short, but they are definetly trouble, and I will have to fix them. Pulled the car back in the garage last night. This AM, I go to pick up my daughter from her job, and the car won't start. I spent nearly the whole day (great way to ruin the holiday) trying to diagnose the problem. I have come to the conclusion, that the CKP is shorted. I read 357 ohms at the CKP terminals. The manual shows that it should be about 2600 ohms. The question is (sorry for being so long winded) is am I reading the manual right? It talks about using a breakout box etc, all of which I don't have. I think, based on what I read, that they are measureing the CKP resistance with the test (A23) but I'm not positive. Also, since it is Sunday, and a holiday weekend, I could not find the part around in a store that was open, so I will have to miss work on Tuesday to get the thing working, if I'm lucky! Its the 2.5L engine.
Thanks in advance!
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CKP?
If your car is a 95 or 96 the wiring insulation in the engine bay is prone to cracking and brittleness.
There's a service bulletin in it, not exactly a recall, but if you have less than 80K I believe Ford will replace the engine wiring for you. You might take it by a dealer if your under 80K
If you do a search here, under troubleshooting, about a years worth look for "99MO3" that's the bulletin #. You can get a lot of good info on that here.
I had my wiring replaced on my 95. It took them awhile however, but if I hadnt' the problem would have gotten so bad that the car would be undriveable. You may be at that level now....
Good luck
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Thanks, I have 135,000 on my 95, so I am way beyond the 85K limit. CKP is crankcase position sensor.
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the warranty on the bad wiring in the engine bay is
100, 000 miles or 10 yrs. it was extended due to most cars in 95 and 96 had the insulation on the electrical wires falling off.. i was in ford dealership the other day to buy some hoses(emission hoses).. i talked to the service guy and told him that i dont want to get it done now, but will bring it in a week or so.. electric wires for a/c high pressure cut off came togethere and blew the charge in the a/c system last year.. i corrected the wires by going to ace hardware store and bought some liquid tape... small $3-$4.00 can of stuff with a brush in the can to paint the wires with a liquid rubber stuff.. worked great on the a/c wires, lucky it blew the charging fitting, only $20.00 part.. now i see the wires going to the coil, the map sensor, and about 4 to 6 different places flaking off. i got only 50,000 miles and its a 96 so i got 2 more years...
i could not get any definite answers from the service guy of what they will do, but it ran the vin. no in the computer and he said its covered, i would have to leave the car there for about a week for them to fix it.........
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i have a 95 and my wires are just as good as the day they were new... 
Regards, Cole.
Relegating to troll status sometime this week.
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Originally posted by Stryker:
i have a 95 and my wires are just as good as the day they were new...
Are you the original owner?
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I am the original owner, bought it as a left over in 1996. I actually test drove the car a year earlier, and it was still sitting there. The GL with 5 spd was not popular.
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Originally posted by hfidel:
CKP is crankcase position sensor.
????
Perhaps you mean crankshaft position sensor or camshaft position sensor. I don't remember there being such a thing as a crankcase position sensor. I don't remember a need for a crankcase position sensor. Does the crakcase move?
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Originally posted by hfidel:
I am the original owner, bought it as a left over in 1996. I actually test drove the car a year earlier, and it was still sitting there. The GL with 5 spd was not popular.
Well keep a close eye on all of it. Remember there's more wiring you dont see under the UIM (fuel injector wiring, which is getting a lot more heat than what your other wires see)
I'm not trying to be the hearald of doom, just FYI. 
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OK, sorry for the long lapse. CKP crankshaft position sensor. Changed it, and the car is back up and running, although the CEL is still coming on. I need to check the codes again. No rush though. For those who may need to check it, the nominal reisistance is 250 ohms of the good unit I bought from Ford for $27. (Other places were cheaper, Atozone was the cheapest, $16, but I would have had to wait a few days to get it. For me, time is money, have to drive something, and I don't have another car.) I have 137000 miles on the original clutch, I think when it goes, so will the car.
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