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That is a bad as* car! Well, 4k for a turbo installed? Not bad at all. That thing has got to be crazy fast. The bumper from the Saleen Tour could work if they made them  . Sweet car though.
1998.5 T-RED SVT
18" Team Loco 142's W/ Dunlop Rubber
181.2hp@6900rpm/155tq@5000rpm
LOTS OF MODS OF EVERY KIND....
...Am I a guru yet??? No... not yet.
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Is that a front mounted intercooler I see there? I wish Chris Hightower's Turbo Kit has a front mounted intercooler like that!
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Rara, Thanks for clearing that up for me, and people can argue sematics with me anytime they want.. that usually leads to something else ENTIRELY new being brought up.. hnce my question below...  See, I guess even an old dog can learn new tricks... oh, and goodwin, I hate to argue semantics, but the fact that there is nothing before 4400 rpm is not turbo LAG, but is a function of the boost threshold. Boost threshold is the minimum rpm where appreciable boost is made, lag is the time it takes (while cruising above the boost threshold) for the turbo to spool up when the throttle is opened up. Boost threshold is really a matter of how well the overall turbo is sized, both the compressor and turbine sides. Lag is mostly (though not all) a function of turbine sizing.
Question, then... I understand what you are saying, and I know what you are talking about... Hey! I want To put a T04E with a monster Compressor wheel and a HUGE turbine but what I want to know is how , from a dyno plot, can you tell the difference between the two, lag and boost threshold.I've seen many dyno's of guys with too large of turbo's that caused them to be above the surge line on the compressor maps, and with the overly large turbine's they displayed similar plots..(late boost causing the HP to peak out very high), but after just changing the AR and turbine size of the exhaust housing, and keeping the compressor the same, it pulled their HP curve BACK down lower in RPM's, granted I still think their Compressor wheel was too large, but hey... I wan't there when they picked the turbo's.. and at least they recognized that something was not right and they were trying to correct it)... I guess thats what confused me...any input would be apreciated...  Thanks...
Tony Blatnica
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SVT Exhaust - Removed resonator
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Originally posted by AirKnight:
Is that a front mounted intercooler I see there? I wish Chris Hightower's Turbo Kit has a front mounted intercooler like that! Why? So you'd have to buy a additional front bumper that would most likely look lik a$$, adding $1k to the kit? You crazy. Would you plan on running 15lbs of boost? I'm far from a turbo expert, but my senses tell me that a cooler half that size would be aplenty for running 6-10lbs of boost. I do think the Spearco water/air cooler that comes w/ the Street Flight kit will be more than sufficient. John
'98 SVT - modded
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'95 Suzuki GS500E
-faster than the above
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Originally posted by AirKnight:
Is that a front mounted intercooler I see there? I wish Chris Hightower's Turbo Kit has a front mounted intercooler like that! :rolleyes: First get a working understanding of turbos and then think about what you just said once... Sheesh people... ga-ga for the bling-bling... To hell with the serious design flaws...
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Originally posted by tcobra98:
Put a cork in it. Why isn't STD a true rating? It is just a different correction factor. For your information, STD is roughly 2-4 percent higher than the SAE(there, you can figure out what the SAE rating is) Let the flames begin. IMO STD ratings are only used to mislead others into thinking you are making more power than you are... If you want to show falsely large numbers then use it. If you want to show "true" comparable numbers than use SAE... 2-4% is a low guess too. Maybe I should go around quoting nearly 200HP then. Even though my SAE rating is 187HP ~ I think I'll go change my sig now... :rolleyes: Lemme guess... You quote STD numbers too and I stepped on your inflated toes... So I ask again... Show me the "true" numbers... ...actually from what it sounds like it will all be moot since they will dyno it with an audience. So we (better) get to see them anyway... I still applaud the work that went into doing this, just not the attention to detail and "what looks like" lack of proper design planning. I'm not the only one saying this either...
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the skyline front bumper would look good on that car hehe
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Not sure what you mean here. I thought Chris's kit has top mounted intercooler inside the engine bay? Originally posted by DemonSVT: Originally posted by AirKnight:
[b]Is that a front mounted intercooler I see there? I wish Chris Hightower's Turbo Kit has a front mounted intercooler like that!
First get a working understanding of turbos and then think about what you just said once...
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I didn't say big, I just said front mounted. My preception was that Chris's kit has top mounted intercooler that's inside the engine bay. I don't think you'll need to have a different bumper if you can have an intercooler that can fit between the bumper and the radiator (sort of like the SVT's oil cooler maybe?). I'm no turbo expert neither, but I'm curious on finding out why all these turbo have different designs. Originally posted by JVT:
Why?
So you'd have to buy a additional front bumper that would most likely look lik a$$, adding $1k to the kit?
You crazy.
Would you plan on running 15lbs of boost? I'm far from a turbo expert, but my senses tell me that a cooler half that size would be aplenty for running 6-10lbs of boost.
I do think the Spearco water/air cooler that comes w/ the Street Flight kit will be more than sufficient.
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Originally posted by AirKnight:
I didn't say big, I just said front mounted. My preception was that Chris's kit has top mounted intercooler that's inside the engine bay. I don't think you'll need to have a different bumper if you can have an intercooler that can fit between the bumper and the radiator (sort of like the SVT's oil cooler maybe?). I'm no turbo expert neither, but I'm curious on finding out why all these turbo have different designs.
I doubt there is enough room to put the cooler in between the radiator and the bumper, and if there is, you probably will have a hard time running the piping. (more custom piping, more $$$) That alone would be a project in itself, not to mention you'd block quite a bit of air that was bound to hit the radiator. What's cooler air good if you're overheating sitting in traffic? Then again, I can't/won't say how that would be affected, since I certainly didn't run any tests w/ a intercooler sitting right in front of the radiator. IMO (again, not a turbo expert), you get the water/air cooler because of packaging, and the water/air cooler is more efficient (at one point or another) than a front mount air/air intercooler, not to mention probably a lil cheaper. Ya'll experts, feel free to correct me. John
'98 SVT - modded
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'95 Suzuki GS500E
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