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Morning Reads: Kerry Shifts on Democracy for Iraq
John Kerry changes his position on Iraq (again) -- and today's Washington Post lead editorial doesn't let him get away with it. What the Post finds particularly troubling is Kerry's abandonment of the goal of a free and democratic Iraq:
Contrast that with what Mr. Kerry told reporters last week: "With respect to getting our troops out, the measure is the stability of Iraq. [Democracy] shouldn't be the measure of when you leave. I have always said from day one that the goal here . . . is a stable Iraq, not whether or not that's a full democracy." Mr. Kerry contends that he has not shifted his public position. But there are major differences between what he said in December -- right after Saddam Hussein's capture, when Mr. Kerry was seeking to discredit dovish Democratic challenger Howard Dean -- and his remarks last week, which followed several weeks of bad news from Iraq and growing public disenchantment with the course of the war. Where once he named democracy as a task to be completed, and the alternative to "cutting and running" or a "false success," Mr. Kerry now says democracy is optional. Where once he warned against setting the conditions for an early but irresponsible withdrawal of U.S. forces, now he does so himself by defining the exit standard as "stability," a term that could describe Saudi Arabia or Iran -- or the Iraq of Saddam Hussein.
The Post highlights the fundamental differences between Kerry's changing position and the President's steady and consistent work for a free Iraq:
Now he differs with Mr. Bush on the crucial issue of what the United States must achieve in Iraq before it can safely end its mission. "Iraq," Mr. Bush said at his news conference last week, "will either be a peaceful democratic country or it will again be a source of violence, a haven for terrorists, and a threat to America and to the world." What would Kerry's Iraq strategy be? He can't say -- and the newspaper is left to surmise that it would be something well short of the freedom the Iraqi people deserve:
Mr. Kerry now argues that there is a third option. But what would that be? "I can't tell you what it's going to be," he said to reporters covering his campaign. "That stability can take several forms." True; in the Middle East, there is the stability of Islamic dictatorship, the stability of military dictatorship and the stability of monarchical dictatorship. The Post draws these final conclusions: "Yet on goals Mr. Bush is right, not only in a moral sense but from the perspective of U.S. security too... Mr. Kerry's shift on such a basic question after just a few months is troubling and mistaken." Read the whole thing.
The Boston Globe's Anne Kornblut takes a look at the state of the race, citing the new strategy memo from Matthew Dowd, BC'04 Chief Strategist.
An analysis in The Hill shows the President doing very well in Florida.
USA Today runs a piece on Journeys with John, the new Kerry travel tracker:
Want to dog Democrat John Kerry as he travels from Florida to Louisiana to Texas this week? You can ?? virtually through President Bush's campaign Internet site... The site, part of the Bush campaign's overall rapid-response operation, also allows people to add their comments.
Check out Journeys with John -- and watch as we add new states where Kerry is traveling.
In the New York Post, John Podhoretz writes that on balance, Bob Woodward's Plan of Attack "offers a persuasive portrait of an extraordinarily serious Bush administration and the 17-month process that led to the war."
Yesterday we reported on Senator Kerry's peddling the mysterious theory of a secret Saudi oil deal divined from Woodward's book -- something Woodward has said he never suggested. Today, the Washington Times notes just how ridiculous the charge is:
Mr. Kerry cannot have it both ways on this point. Mr. Bush cannot be in intimate collusion with the Saudis to reduce oil prices at the precise moment he needs an election boost, while at the same time having completely ineffective negotiations with them to increase oil supplies.
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Originally posted by PDXSVT: Hey JaTo, old buddy, what's your understanding of Bush's desire to phase out the estate tax entirely? Isn't that something Bush is on record as wanting to do, as when he calls it the death tax? And wasn't that Bush desire to end the estate tax part of what the NYT was talking about? You claim you've been following this issue, and yet you say that this change only affects lower wage earners. Huh?
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Dividend taxes were the ones that were planned to be scaled back and even eliminated for lower-income earners. Search on it...
Originally posted by PDXSVT: Ending the estate tax, which now ONLY hits estates in the $$$MILLIONS, implies the revenues lost would be made up elsewhere. How is that a victory for the lower 90% of us taxpayers? By trickle-down Reaganomics (aka "voodoo economics" per Bush's dad)?
To elaborate...
Talk to a generational farmer or a rancher about this, not some yuppy sipping mocachinos at a college campus. They aren't the highest of income earners by any stretch of the imagination, yet they often hold property and assets valuing into hundreds of thousands of dollars to millions in their later years (farming is VERY capital intensive and do you EVEN want to try going into land valuation arguments over the past 30-40 years just to get quickly sunk on that matter, too?), even though the relative return on that investment is often small in comparison (some are subsidized by the government due to prices being so soft on commodities)...
For a generational operation, this estate tax BS that's been going on has knocked the Hell out of those wanting to carry on the family tradition or business, unless they've done some serious estate planning.
I guess it takes someone other than a city-slicker to see this perspective and side of things, though. This nation doesn't entirely revolve around the concrete jungle.
Furthermore, since my family happens to operate a ranch/farm (more of a hobby for my father and grandfather), I feel fairly confident in throwing this back in your face since the inheritance issue is one that has been talked over ad nausem for years and is one that will seriously affect me under current tax laws.
Originally posted by PDXSVT: D'ya wanna do a correction on your position before someone else calls BS on you calling BS on someone else?
Not a damn bit, since I used to live near to folks with Peach orchards that had holdings close to the million dollar mark and were lucky to come away with $60-80K a year in recent memory, half that if a freeze or disease nailed their crops (though their did exist government restitution if this happened in terms of some sort of crop insurance or "payout", but it didn't come close to covering the actual losses)...
There's a reason folks are selling the farmland and moving on: the land itself is more valuable than what is being grown on it...
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Originally posted by FlechaAutoSports: first of all im no TOOL..you dont want to get personal! I'm not calling you an A$$ even if its apparent! No need to get personal..
sorry.
Originally posted by FlechaAutoSports: Even some of the Wealthiest have oh the most positive views on Bush! "Billionaire investor Warren Buffett accused the Bush administration Saturday of pursuing tax cuts that favor large corporations and wealthy individuals. "If class warfare is being waged in America, my class is clearly winning," Buffett said in Berkshire Hathaway Inc.'s annual report. Except for 1983, the percentage of federal tax receipts from corporate income taxes last year was the lowest since data was first published in 1934, Buffett said."
True, but how does that a) show that Buffett is taking a clear stand AGAINST Bush? I don't see ol' Warren standing up and asking for his taxes to be raised, he's simply stating facts, and they're true. b) Why are you complaining that corporate income taxes are low? That doesn't affect you negatively, that doesn't benefit the rich anymore than it benefits the poor, and in fact it helps you because corporations have more money in their coffers to cover losses in bad economic times and still pay you your health insurance and your Christmas bonus.
Originally posted by FlechaAutoSports: "The President's economic plan uses significant amounts of, to borrow a phrase from President Bush, "fuzzy math." According to the Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center, 45 percent of the tax cut will go to the top 5 percent of earners in the country while only 22 percent of the tax cut will go to the bottom 80 percent of earners.
Why the sudden revision in your numbers? Again, I point back to my previous example... 14% of the cuts to people that pay less than 4% of the overall taxes. That's only unfair to those people who are getting less than they deserve. (Look up "Zero Sum Game")
Originally posted by FlechaAutoSports: Seeing as over 2.7 million private sector jobs have been lost during his tenure as President (a record only matched by Hoover who presided over the initial parts of the Great Depression) the tax cuts are certainly not producing jobs.
I'm in no mood to give you an economics lesson right now, but take into account this... 1) a multi-trillion dollar economy doesn't react to ANYTHING instantaneously... all reactions lag behind their triggers. For instance, 2.7 million jobs lost would be a result of the dot com bubble bursting (not Bush's fault), terrorism (not bush's fault, despite what you may say otherwise), and this little thing called a "Business cycle". If you look at historical data, there have been recessions or slowdowns in the first few years of every decade since records have been kept. Furthermore, the tax cuts ARE indeed stimulating the economy and creating jobs. Perhaps you haven't read the news lately, but many companies are on a hiring spree, rather than in firing mode (there are exceptions, as there always are). Many analysts/economists fully expect a decrease in unemployment, as well as creation of new jobs in 2004, a direct result of, among other factors, Bush's 02 tax cuts.
Originally posted by FlechaAutoSports: "The Washington Post??s financial planning columnist, Albert Crenshaw, calculated that based on the maximum contributions allowed under the Bush plan, a wealthy family could build a personal fortune of $154 million for each child without ever paying taxes.
Financial planning... retirement... providing to your kids... what preposterous ideas! Give me a break 
Originally posted by FlechaAutoSports: "* tax credits for business research and development, costing $68 billion over ten years;
Who needs research and development? Who needs to grow? Stagnant economies for everyone! Yay communism!
Originally posted by FlechaAutoSports: "* tax breaks for private medical savings accounts, worth $5.1 billion to the company that is the principal marketer of such financial instruments, the Golden Rule Insurance Company of Illinois, a big donor to the Republican Party;
Congrats, it benefits a republican donor... must be a conspiracy. Outlaw it! Guess what... private medical savings accounts benefit PEOPLE too!! And guess what, people are donors to BOTH parties! The only way it benefits Golden Rule is in reduced payments to insureds, thereby reducing costs, thereby reducing premiums, thereby putting even MORE dollars into the pockets of you and I, stimulating spending and growth, and perpetuating the exact purpose for the tax cuts in the first place.
Originally posted by FlechaAutoSports: "* a $16.1 billion tax credit for real estate developers and homebuilders;
Who needs affordable housing?? Raise taxes on homebuilders! Increase the cost of building a home! Housing for the rich!! Poor people can sleep under bridges!
Originally posted by FlechaAutoSports: "* a $712 million tax credit for companies that convert landfill gases into electricity, sought by Waste Management, the big operator of landfills;
Sounds like a good thing to me? Maybe I'm wrong and we're NOT running out of fossil fuels. I'm so silly.
Originally posted by FlechaAutoSports: "* and an $891 million deduction for companies that donate leftover food to charity, sought by the pizza franchise industry. The only limitation on this effort to make it profitable to deliver stale pizza to soup kitchens is a requirement that donated food be ??apparently wholesome.?
Oh, ok... now i get it... all those examples quoted above were jokes, right? cuz this HAS to be a joke... hahaha! Why would we ever want to give benefits to companies that help the poor?? We have inefficient welfare programs to do it for us! Just raise taxes so welfare can try to (poorly) do what these companies are actually doing!
Originally posted by FlechaAutoSports: "whatever guys..
BUSH can DO NO WRONG for crying out loud..
And you can apparently form no coherent arguments, so I guess it all works out in the end.
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all we all willing to agree this is going to be one HELLof a close vote..
wow!
hmm which state(electoral vote) is going to be the deciding factor..
looks like Kerry is gaining..
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Originally posted by Dan Nixon: Originally posted by supertouringmike:
Anyway no conservative, right wing, rich person and corporation lover.
Are you talking about Bush...conservative, right wing, a little rich..
Or Kerry, VERY RICH (not that he made any money on his own) who is literally making LOVE to the Hienz corporation... (gag)
Nader is your man..the man for the (self proclaimed) "best and brightest"..
Dan Nixon (no wonder you are a Republican) and from VA too!
I am from VA as well,but we moved before I got conservitised!(All my relatives there are Republican,Hey no one is perfect........)
As for my comments: All canidates for Pres are "Rich",(maybe not that freak Nader),but I was not reffering to personal wealth just the propensity to help the Rich get Richer at everyone elses "Expense"
George is "married to" Big Oil in so many ways (family business/His own attempts at finding Oil in TX/and lets not forget The Saudis and Cheney.
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JaTo, I gave you a chance to back off.
Wow, I just can't wait to have to see my taxes go to subsidize your family's holdings of MILLIONS of dollars worth of real estate. Of course they should get an estate tax break at everyone else's expense. After all, that directly benefits your family and you support it. That in itself should be good reason for an undecided voter to support your position. Perhaps we city boys could learn a thing or two from your family about how to screw everyone else.
PLEASE appoint yourself Bush's posterboy on this issue.
I'd figured after your de facto admission that you don't know everything after all (like how you'd question George Will since he's syndicated through the Washington Post) that you'd learned to be a bit more careful about setting yourself up. Did I overestimate your learning curve? Guess so.
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Why don't you call the estate tax precisely what it is? It is a DEATH TAX. A family member dies and it costs you money to simply keep your possessions! Why in the wide wide world of sports should you penalize someone for dying? Why should YOU pay tax to assume ownership of something from your parents? It's bought, paid for and ALREADY taxed! Jeez, you sound like jealous whiny b!tch.
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I guess bMR is volunteering to pay up the difference in lost revenue to the US treasury just so families with wealth can pass 100% of their holdings along.
The Kerry/Heinz and Kennedy families are not supporting an end to the estate tax, but you're threatened by that tax? You must have more to lose by paying it than they do.
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Originally posted by PDXSVT: JaTo, I gave you a chance to back off.
Wow, I just can't wait to have to see my taxes go to subsidize your family's holdings of MILLIONS of dollars worth of real estate.
Just as I tire subsidizing lazy-ass individuals, ill-concieved social programs, whiny liberals and their "cause du jour" that suck away resources for useless and ultimately innane "feel good" excercises with tax dollars that come from my innovation, my families, or their holdings, when it could be more responsibly used and invested back into the US economy by ME, thereby generating MORE tax dollars that would serve as a tax annuity instead of a one-time lump sum.
That's a two-way street, if you want to play that childish game. Are you forgetting the FACT that I tend to invest money that I make or gain, thus providing for MORE tax dollars down the road and MORE possibilites for growth? Of course not, though. Myopia seems to be the liberal's disease and you appear to have it in spades...
Don't forget that I supply goods/services for state, local and the Federal government as well and have done so for years. I've seen FIRSTHAND the jaw-dropping WASTE that goes on in US government and the way budget dollars are allocated.
The difference between you and me is that you think the government can manage more of your money better than you can (which very well may be the case). I KNOW I can manage more of my money better than the US government and plow those extra dollars back into the economy and provide for growth, as I'm not content to sit on my assets or resources and do nothing with them.
I don't despise paying taxes; I despise paying EXHORBANT taxes and the estate tax is precisely that. I'm tired of feeding a wasteful and sloppy bureaucracy more and more dollars every year and seeing less and less of any sort of return behind it for me or my fellow citizens. You apparently are not and are entirely content to get to the point where we are writing blank checks to the IRS.
Check out why most state governments are in the trouble they are in today: it wasn't due to a lack of tax dollars, it is due to the spendthrift nature instead of coming up with ways to save and preserve the extra dollars they gained during the boom...
Originally posted by PDXSVT: Of course they should get an estate tax break at everyone else's expense. After all, that directly benefits your family and you support it. That in itself should be good reason for an undecided voter to support your position. Perhaps we city boys could learn a thing or two from your family about how to screw everyone else.
Try this definition of "screw": a tax structure that can tax estates up to 80-90% in some cases. If you support this, then I ask who has been screwing who?
Again, I'm sitting quite comfortable but will always want more, as contentment isn't a part of my vocabulary. My concern is for small and medium-size farms and ranches that can potentially get gutted unless the proper estate planning has taken place, thereby ruining any chance for a business tradition and legacy to continue, one that I might add that holds great value in supplying food and materials for the US people...
Originally posted by PDXSVT: PLEASE appoint yourself Bush's posterboy on this issue.
I'd figured after your de facto admission that you don't know everything after all (like how you'd question George Will since he's syndicated through the Washington Post) that you'd learned to be a bit more careful about setting yourself up. Did I overestimate your learning curve? Guess so.
Nice bit of revisionist history, there. I questioned Will's comparison of events in Iraq to the Bolshevik Revolution, damn his credentials or conservative leanings (true, I do hold just about anything out of the Wash. Post suspect). I still do, as the recent uprisings and unrest have been more akin to the situation we dropped into in Somalia, as a certain editorial in the Wall Street Journal mentioned (the author was Mark Bowden).
Just because I'm conservative on many issues doesn't always mean I agree with them or see the world the same way they do.
In close:
"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries."
-Sir Winston Churchill
It's easy to see which side of that statement you stand...
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Originally posted by PDXSVT: ...The Kerry/Heinz and Kennedy families are not supporting an end to the estate tax, but you're threatened by that tax? You must have more to lose by paying it than they do.
Yes, let's discuss how they have tax advisors out the ying-yang coming up with every scheme in the book to protect their generational wealth.
THEY plan on dodging taxes a different way; the way that most wealthy people have been doing for quite some time, I'll wager.. Why don't I hear you whining to them about subsidizing your tax burden? 
As I've said before, with the right amount of money and tax advisors and estate planning, you can negate much of what happens after a patriarchs or matriarchs death. There are ways to dodge that bullet.
Unfortunately, not everyone considers this; I'll wager than many farmers and ranchers are the most tax-savy individuals that have ever walked the planet, as it's not a requisite skill that's required to sow soybean or raise cattle...
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