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First I'd like to say that this forum is a wealth of information. And I am sorry for so many of the following questions

K, We just bought our first contour a week ago, from a "As is" dealer, it rides smooth, gears change smooth
and the body is, is in great condition. its 8 degrees out right now and its starts up without a problem on the frist crank.

The one and only problem is its overheating, and there is no Hot air inside the cab. when we bought it, I noticed a few leaks in the rad hoses, the upper hose and at the stem in the overflow, we've replace both pipes with new, replaced the thermostat,
In reserching this problem we learned that the normal response to this situation is that its the WP, so we took it off last night, it was a white plastic Impeller, there was no cracks in it, and the impeller was firmly attached to the turn shaft. The belt is a little worn we will replace that tomorrow hopefully. The thermostat was also replaced with a working one (tested it in boiling water)
But its still over heating and no hot air inside.

What we've experienced so far,
when first test driving the car all worked well we only test drove it for ten mins ran it pretty hard Noticed that no hot air was coming from the heater But assumed it was that the car wasn't warmed up, However the heater did kick on when we went up a hill, got back to the auto placeand Checked under the hood noticed the leak in the upper rad hose.
Upon completion of buying the car we took it stright to walmarts auto center to have a full service done to it. On the way to walmarts the sound of the engine changed and heat came out of the heater, Then after that on the way home the temp gauge went into the red, Still no hot air coming from the heater. Thus began our journey into knowing way to much about the car we own now lol

The list of repairs and checks we've done is,

Replaced upper rad hose, (Cursed at the car) lower hose on the overflow tank to Rad,(Cursed at the car) the Thermostat,(Cursed at the car) Taken WP off No Cracks in impeller. we really hoped it was cracked and the cause of the problems , when it wasn't we(Cursed at the car)

There is no foam or dicoloration in either the oil or tranny fluid's

Thanks for reading this far:
Now the questions

Question 1: Where can I get good access to the heater core inlet and outlet pipes to find out if either are hot.
And if the Core or Rad turns out to be plugged and probably hasn't been flushed in so long, whats the best way to Flush both the Heater core and the Rad.
Wheres the locations and descriptions of the pipes that would prove most effective in Back-flushing the system.

Question 2: is there a valve that could be stuck closed besides the termostat that could cause both of our problems.

Or could the Problems be from two seperate causes?

Question 3: Could a broken overflow cap cause one or both of these problems

Question 4: what and where is the fan clutch on this car, and could it cause the problem.

Question 5: Above the rad is a hose with a bleed valve on it I think, Then that pipe goes over to the Right side of the engine into a thermos type looking device, What is it and could it cause the problems




Off that subject another Question is when We had an oil change done at walmart, and they put 10w30 in the car, The manual recommends 5w30, will the 10w30 harm the car? or should we make them replace it or return the money and have it done again with the recommended oil , it says right under the hood 5w30

Also under the hood a ford tag says an official repair made in 2000, reprogrammed PCM , I believe thats what it says,
what does that mean?

Thank you for you time, we would really appreciate any answers the the above questions. This is our only hope of getting clear answers no one we've talked to knew anything about the contour and Had no idea how it looks under the hood, atleast here you guys know your cars
-Josiah

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Duratec engines have water pump problems, thats why I like my Zetec at times....

Maybe the water pump isnt performing at the max, and the plastic is worn off and slides around and not spinning around.


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Friend had a similar problem in a Jeep. We flushed the radiator, engine, and heater core several times but the radiator ended up still being clogged. It allowed just enough coolant to flow to keep the motor cool for a little while. Then all of a sudden the temp gauge would go up like a rocket. We ended up getting another radiator and it ran fine.

We got a radiator for a really good price here if that ends up being the problem.

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I would suggest replacing the WP. Sounds like the impeller is spinning on the shaft and making only very intermittent pressure.

Hope you don't/haven't ruined the engine already.

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i got a 96 contour, 2.5 engine and have been using 10-40 oil in it since 1996.. probably the heater core plugged up.. you said it was leaking coolant, bet the previous owner used some of that oatmeal stuff they put in radiators to stop leaks.. it does not work(well it stops the leak but blocked up the passages of the radiator and heater core)..
go to auto zone and buy a Haynes book for the Contour, cost me $12.00 for mine back in 96...... it covers a few years on the contour... hope this helps.

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My guess would be that a piece(s) of the old WP impellar is floating around in the system and intermittently clogging it up. If this is the case the remedy would be to give it a serious back flush until some pieces are found.


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Ah, this sounds familiar...

Some background - late last August, on my way home from the cottage (and a good 5 hours from home) in my '96 2.5l SE, I glance at the temp guage and - yikes - I'm having a China Syndrome moment!

After getting a tow to a garage (prety much in the middle of nowhere), the "traditional" 'tour WP problem (no more impeller) was found, and a rebuilt pump installed. Car ran fine, but the temp guage was stuck at 'meltdown', which made for an interesting ride the rest of the way home, to say the least.

Anyway, for a couple of weeks after this, I fight with the coolant level on a daily basis - the light comes on, I add some coolant, and then some blows out from somewhere. Eventually, I catch the new pump leaking from the weap hole and it's off to my local mechanic I go...

This time a brand new Ford pump is installed - both the front and back sections, unlike the first time 'round, where only the the front section (with the impeller) was replaced. Also wound up with a new thermostat, belt, two temp sensors and a hose or two (and the temp guage works again!).

Once again, things are fine for a while, but then my struggles with the coolant level are back. Another week or two of this passes, and now the car is starting to dribble coolant again - back to the garage...

For this go-round, yet another new Ford pump is installed. At least this time it's "no-charge" 'cause the first factory pump is determined to have been defective right out of the box (it was leaking around the impeller shaft, but only when the car was running).

So now I'm on my 3rd replacement pump, and once again things seem ok - for a while. The most recent problem sounds a lot like what you are seeing - the car will sometimes blow freezing cold air from the heater vents at the same time the temp. guage is headed for the stratosphere. At this point I suspect that either a) my new thermostat is now (or always was) junk, or b) there are bits of the original impeller floating around in there somewhere that from time to time gum up the works.

Grrr....

Anyway, enough about my problems

Originally posted by Newguy:
Question 1: Where can I get good access to the heater core inlet and outlet pipes to find out if either are hot. And if the Core or Rad turns out to be plugged and probably hasn't been flushed in so long, whats the best way to Flush both the Heater core and the Rad.
Wheres the locations and descriptions of the pipes that would prove most effective in Back-flushing the system.




I'd like the answer to the first part as well!
For part 2, the Ford service manual is pretty specific that the block/rad and heater core must be flushed seperately to avoid blowing crap from one to the other (and clogging stuff up). I don't have the details handy, but can dig them up if you want.

Originally posted by Newguy:

Question 2: is there a valve that could be stuck closed besides the termostat that could cause both of our problems.

Or could the Problems be from two seperate causes?




I don't think there's any other valve per say, beyond the thermostat (and/or a plugged heater core), and would suspect that both/all the problems are related to the same cause.

Originally posted by Newguy:

Question 3: Could a broken overflow cap cause one or both of these problems




Not as far as I know - if it was a bad cap, you would propably be loosing coolant from the expansion tank before things got too hot.

Originally posted by Newguy:

Question 4: what and where is the fan clutch on this car, and could it cause the problem.




No fan clutch - it's an electric fan - kinda hard to drive a fan out the side of the block after all

Originally posted by Newguy:

Question 5: Above the rad is a hose with a bleed valve on it I think, Then that pipe goes over to the Right side of the engine into a thermos type looking device, What is it and could it cause the problems




Just a guess, but won't this be an AC line (and not likely related to your problems)?

Good Luck and let us know how it goes!

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Originally posted by projectSHO89:
I would suggest replacing the WP. Sounds like the impeller is spinning on the shaft and making only very intermittent pressure.

Hope you don't/haven't ruined the engine already.

Steve



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That is exactly what mine is doing, spinning on the shaft. Get one from A NAPA dealer and tell them you want the DURAPRO pump. Its a little over 60 bucks. Metal impeller equals piece of mind.

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