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Originally posted by Pete D:
Is any clothing American made anymore?
Well I just went through my suitcase(I am out of town) and I found 1 t-shirt that was made here and 1 pair of jeans (GAP)other countries inlcude:
Jamaica
Indonedia
El Salvador
Bangladesh
Uzbekistan
The Dominican Republic
Brazil
Thailand
Lesotho (where?)
Hong Kong (Levi's)
The worst part is that most of the stuff I have was expensive, I mean if they are going to charge you through the nose at least pay the workers good money 
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Thank Walmart for that.
There was that article in Fast Company magazine which gave a lowdown of how doing business with Walmart will pretty much force you to outsource your labor, because no american factory can meet the price and supply demands that Walmart requires.
Levi's even had to start a bran new line of jeans because the existing ones (501 etc) were too expensive for them.
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Originally posted by daenku32:
Thank Walmart for that.
There was that article in Fast Company magazine which gave a lowdown of how doing business with Walmart will pretty much force you to outsource your labor, because no american factory can meet the price and supply demands that Walmart requires.
Levi's even had to start a bran new line of jeans because the existing ones (501 etc) were too expensive for them.
Yeah, it's all Wal-Mart's fault. 
Companies like Abercrombie and Fitch, the GAP, and Anchor Blue don't make their clothes in the US either and they're not exactly sold at rock bottom prices.
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My husband wears nothing but levi's. Hell even his dress pants are dockers, which are made by Levi's. You would think at over 30 a pair (on sale) they would be able to pay their workers a decent wage!  Come to think of it almost everyone I know where's Levi's. Instead of moving to China maybe they just need to move to PA! 
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everything happens in cycles. as products mature, it becomes harder and harder for companies to get profits from those products. you face the decision of moving operations to maintain margins or letting the company die a slow death. let's face it, jeans are not very innovative anymore.
Which would be better: to let people go with a sizable severance; or wait until the situation is even more dire and there are no resources for severance?
Levi's also has the issue of being a closely-held private company. They are very dependent on cash for continued business operations. Cash is king and if they aren't retaining any (which they aren't) then they need to find sources of cash through cost savings which means moving operations to lower costs production facilities.
Also, regarding India and China and tech businesses, some companies are moving those operations BACK to English speaking countries because of problems with customer service. No matter how much they train natives there to sound like they know English, they still cannot perform beyond their customer service "script." It'll be interesting to see how all that plays out over time.
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I guess this is the way capitalism is supposed to work.
If something can be produced cheaper, somebody will do it.
Those coutries just walking the path the US did 100 yrs
ago, and I think we should be glad to see them developing.
All we have to do is to be always ahead of the pack by being
flexible, innovative, whatever. Heck, I'd be much happier
to see my children designing jeans than sewing them...
We have to keep moving forward, that's all.
I used to work as a software engineer crafting code for
years. Now I'm at grad school, studying high-level hw/sw
design. I won't shed a tear for 90% the low-level sw jobs
going to India... If anybody can do it, you shouldn't.
Tiv
P.S. and I think some things are really over the top here...
There was a guy here who flew to Bombay to get his teeth fixed
up because it was way cheaper (flight+stay included) than here,
and he got first class service.
Medical/dental services are just one thing being irrationally
expensive in this country, and I really don't mind that getting
adjusted by a little competition.
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Originally posted by tiv:
Now I'm at grad school, studying high-level hw/sw
design. I won't shed a tear for 90% the low-level sw jobs
going to India... If anybody can do it, you shouldn't.
Ok, what about the guys and gals who are just starting out on their IS careers? The "entry level" positions were tech support, which got them used to certain problems and fixes, and they would eventually be moved up the food chain. Now, the jobs get sent out overseas, and the young folks trying to come up get nothing. I wouldn't have the career I have now if it wasn't for starting out at the tech support level.
And, I've heard MANY complaints about people not understanding heavy accents. It's bad enough that people who call tech support are generally frustrated already because they have a problem with a computer they don't understand. Now they're talking to people who they can't understand, talking about an object they didn't understand in the first place. A great way to piss off your customers, if you ask me.
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Quote:
I used to work as a software engineer crafting code for
years. Now I'm at grad school, studying high-level hw/sw
design. I won't shed a tear for 90% the low-level sw jobs
going to India... If anybody can do it, you shouldn't.
Wow that's a pretty arrogant statement! You married? Have any mouths to feed at home besides your own? What's stopping the powers that be from farming your job out next? Do you possess a talent that no won else does or can't be done by someone else with less talent for less money?
I don't think so.
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i have to agree with tiv on this one.
"entry level" jobs, especially in IT, which is still evolving and growing at an alarming rate, mean something different now than they did 3, 5, or 10 years ago. schools are teaching programming skills to freshmen now that would have been considered topics for experienced programmers when I was in college. things like database modelling and management, ERPs, client server technologies, etc. are being taught much earlier on for many students. as time passes, the bar will continue to rise.
Also, keep in mind that technologies evolve and change in entrepreneurial environments. The US is one such environment. You don't hear of much regarding disease disolution or cutting-edge gene therapy procedures coming from India and China, do you?
everything ebbs and flows, you have to realize that. if these entry level jobs are leaving the country now (like manufacturing did in the 70's, 80's, ad 90's), there will be something to replace them in a few years. don't worry about the "next big thing." it will happen with time.
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If anybody can do it, you shouldn't.
I want that statement on a bumper sticker!
There was a time when teaching basic mechanical skills like "Auto Shop" of "Woodworking" was in every high school.
Now we buy $10 furniture from Wal-Mart and immigrants build our homes.
There was a time when learning BASIC took 4 years of college.
Now most kids learn BASIC in middle school and begin C in high school. By the time they graduate they're fluent in at least a half-dozen programming languages and have designed extensive applications
There was a time when Algebra in High School was unheard of.
Now our 6th graders learn Algebra and we teach Calculus to 10th graders.
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Wow that's a pretty arrogant statement! You married?
Almost.
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Have any mouths to feed at home besides your own?
Yeap.
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What's stopping the powers that be from farming your job out next?
Nothing, really.
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Do you possess a talent that no won else does or can't be done by someone else with less talent for less money?
I don't think so.
It'd be pretty arrogant to say that no one else could do my job. But I do know that I do my job damn well and I have crafted myself a very nice and lucrative niche in the business world that very few people are qualified to do let alone can do it well.
Admittedly, I'm lucky enough to have a job that functions inversely to the number of jobs going overseas. I design/streamline distribution channels (to vastly generalize things) and the more stuff we buy from overseas, the more extensive and complicated the strategic channels of distribution become.
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