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I have the material to make my own, but is there a company out there that sells them for our cars? If not, i may start selling these depending on interest. They are known for 5hp and 7lbs torque just from the Intake spacer alone. The tb spacer is yet to be determined. If someone is already selling these, please let me know where. I'd like to compare products. Thanks.
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Put a tornado in with the spacer and you will see 10-15 HP and better fuel mileage. Oh wait, that's right, the tornado doesn't work. It needs that certain mojo that a spacer has.  Those spacers do not help. I believe it goes back to carburetor days when insulating spacers where used to raise the carb height and keep the carb from heating up and boiling fuel in the float bowl. It helped on a carb. The added height gave a short amount of extra time for fuel vaporization and kept the carb cooler. But since there is no fuel at the throttle body, and the short amount of added space doesn't do anything measurable for the throttle body, I believe it is a waste of time to bother. Build a heat shield, clean the TB, optimize the TB, clean the UIM and LIM. All these are proven performance enhncers that are inexpensive. Throttle body spacers fix a non-existent problem, imho.
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How much would you be selling them for? I know spacers help I've used them on fuelie vehicles before and noticed a difference.
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I agree mostly with Contouraholic, but I'll also speculate that maybe the carb spacers in the old days had a TINY impact of in effect lengthening intake runners, similar to "tuning" the intake. I doubt there's much angle to work like that on our Duratecs, I'd bet our intakes are already rather tuned.
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Originally posted by PDXSVT:
I agree mostly with Contouraholic, but I'll also speculate that maybe the carb spacers in the old days had a TINY impact of in effect lengthening intake runners, similar to "tuning" the intake. I doubt there's much angle to work like that on our Duratecs, I'd bet our intakes are already rather tuned.
I agree with the length "tuning" somewhat, but most of those spacers were in the 1/2" thick range and I can't imagine that distance really having a measurable effect unless the "floor" of the intake was really close to the inlets. Also, if all 4 ports (or 2, 0r 1) dumped into a common plenum, it was supposedly a slightly smoother flow and better fuel/air mixing. Some stock manifolds were pretty rotten at the first turn. I always was of the mind that a better manifold was a better idea. Most of the aftermarket stuff had a little more rise and better radius turns.
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TB spacers will add exactly ZERO performance.
Do not waste your time trying.
Yes it has been dyno tested using several size spacers with no change at all.
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Why are there posts like this? Why don't people just use their brains....When someone posts a logical explanation of why the spacer would work, I might believe it, but until then it's a myth. This is for our engines, by the way, but I would assume it would be for all engines using a throttle body. I've heard of the V6 mustang guys living by these things and proof of gains, but I'm not seeing it.
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Originally posted by JonnySVT:
Why are there posts like this? Why don't people just use their brains....When someone posts a logical explanation of why the spacer would work, I might believe it, but until then it's a myth.
Well, as i mentioned earlier, the intake spacer, located between the UIM and LIM will show gains. More so in the torque curve. As far as the tb spacer, like i said, it's yet to be proven. I personally don't think a tb spacer is worth anything. Yet, i do believe that the Intake spacer is a proven product. It lengthens the runner's just a bit and primarily serves as a heat barrier. Thus, lower operating temps where it counts. I plan on taking a set of Intake gaskets and tracing them out on the G10 phenolic, 3/8" thick. Cut them to spec and install them. I will have them dyno'd by Wayne's performance in Jacksonville to see if there are actual gains to be achieved. Depending on the outcome, if there is enough interest, i may take on the task to make and sell these. Price yet to be determined. I know there will be alot of debate on this subject, but let me get these things made and get the numbers.
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Originally posted by Contouraholic:
Put a tornado in with the spacer and you will see 10-15 HP and better fuel mileage.
Oh wait, that's right, the tornado doesn't work. It needs that certain mojo that a spacer has.
Build a heat shield, clean the TB, optimize the TB, clean the UIM and LIM. All these are proven performance enhncers that are inexpensive. Throttle body spacers fix a non-existent problem, imho.
The first part of your post means what? That you're mechanical insight is to compare a useless product to a product that has been proven for how many years? Let's get out of the grey area and into the now, thanks.
The last part of your post i agree with and i believe a tb spacer will do nothing. But people who do modify thier cars, don't believe in the old theory, "if it aint broke, don't fix it." Obviously, you just don't get it. When these spacers are made and takin to the dyno and have some #'s, then i feel it will be appropriate for you to make an opinion such as yours. Until then, please don't talk out your ass. Thanks.
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I think a "small" phenolic spacer between the LIM and UIM would be beneficial for one reason. Heat barrier.
Also if you incorporated a way to precisely mate to UIM and LIM together it would almost be a "must buy" for every Duratec user.
As for making it a "large" spacer. Hood clearance is already at a premium (I.E. no room) and you also would be lengthening both primary and secondary runner (lower, smaller powerband) if it were not.
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