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Originally posted by BP:
but it seems that AA and quotas aren't working
Do you know WHY AA and quotas aren't working?
It is because AA and quotas are a mechanism which judges a person by the color of their skin, not their ability.
Some use the term "reverse racism" to describe it.
Until we realize that two wrongs (first wrong: slavery and jim crow laws. second wrong: AA and quotas) don't make a right, we will continue to have problems.
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Originally posted by brianl703:
Originally posted by BP:
but it seems that AA and quotas aren't working
Do you know WHY AA and quotas aren't working?
It is because AA and quotas are a mechanism which judges a person by the color of their skin, not their ability.
Some use the term "reverse racism" to describe it.
Until we realize that two wrongs (first wrong: slavery and jim crow laws. second wrong: AA and quotas) don't make a right, we will continue to have problems.
I have been a victim of reverse racisim.
One summer I was working for a bank, white manager black supervisor and a black co-worker. Everything was great, the co-worker and I started the same time and it was obvious she didn't have much in the way of computer skills. No problem, I helped her out.
When the manager went on vacation, I was let go, because my computer skills were sub-par. Uh-huh, right. I found out when the manager came back to work, she was pissed because she was going to let the co-worker go (we were both summer temps) because she didn't have the required computer skills. When I told my co-worker, she was pissed and apologized. The temp agency was very apologetic and I was working the very next day, so no real problems for me.
Some of the 'roughneck' people I run into while commuting in NYC everyday think I'm nothing but the man, a typical white guy. The best/worst part about that is my parents came to the states in the 50s and my people (Armenians) were repressed and murdered by the Turkic peoples in the earlier part of the 20th century (1915-1917 to be exact). My parents and I have friends that are all colors/races/creeds, the works. So, I get really, really, REALLY mad when I am called a racist and say I have to pay for something because of the color of my skin.
My family wasn't even IN the USA when slavery occurred, my family was getting KILLED in Armenia. Hence, the immigration to this great country.
When I was in school, the part that angered me the most was the voluntary segragation. The whites hung with the whites, the blacks with the blacks, the Koreans with the Koreans and so on and so forth. I thought we wanted everyone to be equal, why the segregation?!?! In my program, Television Production, we were a tight, close knit group, all different colors/races/religions, and there were never any problems.
So, why, why, WHY the hell are people being stupid and trying to rid life of the past? It happened. If we ignore it, it will happen again!
I bet no one knows about the Armenian Genocide? I bet everyone knows about the Holocaust. Hitler was asked, when asked if he feared reparations (sp?) he responded, who ever cared or thought about the Armenians?
The past was forgotten and repeated itself. I do not want to see slavery to come again, or something else just as ridiculous.
Don't get me wrong, slavery is/was pure evil. But, instead of making it right, and working hard, all of us are being stupid and lazy and demanding money, and bending over backwards to hurt each other.
Ok, enough of my rant and tangent for now, I can talk about this for hours on end.
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What absolute craziness!
Of course, I view the terms from a very different perspective, and I wonder what spin the PC crowd would throw on the terms Master/Slave as they are used in my neck of the woods...
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Does this mean I'm gonna have to refer to my hydraulic clutch components as "the cylinder that makes the clutch release" and "the cylinder that makes the clutch engage"? 
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"Dominations the name of the game... In bed or in life It's always the same Treat me like a dog get down on my knees We call it... Master and Servant" Ooops, sorry. Wrong kind of slavery.  Dan - some of my best friends are white guys! 
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Originally posted by Blorton:
"Dominations the name of the game...
In bed or in life
It's always the same
Treat me like a dog
get down on my knees
We call it...
Master and Servant"
Ooops, sorry. Wrong kind of slavery.
Dan - some of my best friends are white guys!
Is that from The Cure?
Edit, Oops, I mean Depeche Mode
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Originally posted by warmonger:
Originally posted by ScottK:
Originally posted by 18psi2300:
If we eliminate it from the history books, they wouldn't have any claim to be able to try to leech money (read: parasite) off of people who's grandfather's, grandfather's, grandfather's, grandfather's grandfather had slaves.
Ummm - do you know your racist? I thought you were just kidding about your "bad things happening to good people" comment in the KKK post below, but I guess there was a little more to it than that.
So I assume by "they" you mean blacks, and that obiously all of them are parasites on society looking for handouts???
Anyway, back the the original sillyness of master/slave terminology debate, my wife (who is black) has a Masters Degree and has never lost any sleep over the name of it.
Umm. This is a topic that genearates stong feelings. Strong enough that I refuse to comment on it. I will say that you are stretching it to call someone racist on just these grounds. You do realize that if he were to loose his job because his employer read the post where you called him racist on a public forum AND you were unable to provide any additional proof of it other than two posts, then he could have you for slander?
Politics will kill any conversation; just let it die.
Once again you're the voice of reason - I suppose it would have been better to say "Do you know your posts make you look racist?" or "Do you know I think you're a racist." I apologize
Although with the definition of racist:
"The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others. Discrimination or prejudice based on race. "
So for any defamation to have occured he would have to prove he had no racially based prejudices, and with his comments of "If we eliminate it from the history books, they wouldn't have any claim to be able to try to leech money (read: parasite) off of people who's grandfather's, grandfather's, grandfather's, grandfather's grandfather had slaves. " and by his kiddingly refering to the injury of a KKK member as bad things happening to good people it would very likely be enough to show in court that he does hold racial prejudices.
Still - I was wrong and I apologize to Lance and 18PSI...
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Originally posted by ScottK:
and by his kiddingly refering to the injury of a KKK member as bad things happening to good people it would very likely be enough to show in court that he does hold racial prejudices.
Geeez, has the common joke gone the way of the Dodo bird? 
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Originally posted by ScottK:
Originally posted by warmonger:
Originally posted by ScottK:
Originally posted by 18psi2300:
If we eliminate it from the history books, they wouldn't have any claim to be able to try to leech money (read: parasite) off of people who's grandfather's, grandfather's, grandfather's, grandfather's grandfather had slaves.
Ummm - do you know your racist? I thought you were just kidding about your "bad things happening to good people" comment in the KKK post below, but I guess there was a little more to it than that.
So I assume by "they" you mean blacks, and that obiously all of them are parasites on society looking for handouts???
Anyway, back the the original sillyness of master/slave terminology debate, my wife (who is black) has a Masters Degree and has never lost any sleep over the name of it.
Umm. This is a topic that genearates stong feelings. Strong enough that I refuse to comment on it. I will say that you are stretching it to call someone racist on just these grounds. You do realize that if he were to loose his job because his employer read the post where you called him racist on a public forum AND you were unable to provide any additional proof of it other than two posts, then he could have you for slander?
Politics will kill any conversation; just let it die.
Once again you're the voice of reason - I suppose it would have been better to say "Do you know your posts make you look racist?" or "Do you know I think you're a racist." I apologize
Although with the definition of racist:
"The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others. Discrimination or prejudice based on race. "
So for any defamation to have occured he would have to prove he had no racially based prejudices, and with his comments of "If we eliminate it from the history books, they wouldn't have any claim to be able to try to leech money (read: parasite) off of people who's grandfather's, grandfather's, grandfather's, grandfather's grandfather had slaves. " and by his kiddingly refering to the injury of a KKK member as bad things happening to good people it would very likely be enough to show in court that he does hold racial prejudices.
Still - I was wrong and I apologize to Lance and 18PSI...
Okay - so I should drop it, but I knew I remembered a previous post by 18PSI that made me react the way I did this time:
prev post
Dang near impossible to argue that every person in Cuba and Mexico is an illegal immigrant waiting to happen - or was that a "common joke" too 
anyway - i'm done and I apologize agaain
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Heh, I know a little about Armenians and the crap they went thru. It's why they burned Izmir during the revolution (that's post WWI when Ataturk carved Turkey out of occupied lands). Lived in that crap ass country for a little bit. You want to see real prejudice go to Turkey or another country. Watch some Turks deal with some Kurds and tell me we have problems. We certainly do have problems with race here but a lot of what I come across is people shooting themselves in the foot, on both sides. Some people just like to hate is all.
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