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I wanna know why everyone is making the supercharger seem like it does nothing for the car. I mean i know it is far inferior to the turbo kit. But say you get a kit that has no issues and you do the custom burn, and the injectors, i mean you are spending alomost 1000 dollars less that the streetflight kit. I am not trying to start a fight or anything, but i mean, if you upgraded the pulley to run 10 psi, you should gain over 100 horsepower. I mean i realize the torque numbers still aren't that great but none theless it is still way better than stock, and i pretty sure that you could hang with most cars, especially if you built up the rest of the motor as well...just my .02 cents on the issue
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dude, the S/C rocks! Mines not tuned right now and it still kicks A$$. It wasn't easy to get there but after alot of help from the CEG I got it running yesterday. The car breaks the wheels loose without dropping the clutch or anything. Before I did a bunch of work to it it had 274 ponies at the wheels (not tuned), thats exactly 100 hp more than I dynoed with only a cold air intake. I like the S/C. There are ups and downs to both setups. Either way the car is going to scare the crap out of unsuspecting passengers!
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On the track the supercharger isn't far inferior. I mean a couple tenths and a couple mph isn't that much. The turbo will make more power for the same boost and have better bottom end, but traction is still an issue.
Off the track is where the turbo is much better (real life). The supercharger is not a weak mod, though. It will make a lot more power than stock.
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Well there is the whole "reliability" factor and of course having No intercooler. Then there is the fact making it reliable (I.E. shaft bearing) and have an I/C (same thing IMO) makes it in the same ballpark (or higher) pricewise as the turbo kit.
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I am just saying that from all the research i have done it just seems that no one is giving the SC any credit what so ever. I am looking at getting a contour in the spring, and most likely going with the supercharger. So with the supercharger, and a few other mods do you think that you could break 13's?? or maybe even 12'S??
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Originally posted by KiDkEmP:
I am just saying that from all the research i have done it just seems that no one is giving the SC any credit what so ever. I am looking at getting a contour in the spring, and most likely going with the supercharger. So with the supercharger, and a few other mods do you think that you could break 13's?? or maybe even 12'S??
I'm sorry, what sort of credit would you like to be given to the Vortech kit?
Does it add power? Yes.
Is it fun to drive? Yes.
Is it well engineered? Not really.
Is it the best performance/$ value? Not really.
The bottom line is, if you want to go fast for cheap, the vortech isn't the way to go. Sure the base kit may be cheaper than the turbo base kit, but the amount of money and effort required to address the shortcomings (most notably the shaft drive issues and the lack of intercooler) in the supercharger kit (especially if you want to increase output beyond the very base kit) makes the cost on par w/ the turbo kit, and it still makes less overall power, has a less desirable power delivery, and doesn' include anywhere near the same quality of components as the turbo kit.
I think the fact that the vast majority of vortech kit owners have experienced at least one catastrophic failure of either the supercharger drive, the sc itself or thier engine says heaps about the quality of that particular kit.
Keep in mind that I don't feel this way about all of Vortech's kits, pretty much just this one; A retarded monkey on crack could have done a better job of engineering this particular kit.
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Originally posted by Rara:
A retarded monkey on crack could have done a better job of engineering this particular kit.
I just thought it funny that after all that technical information shown to prove your point you ended up summing it all up in just one sentence...  
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Originally posted by DemonSVT:
Originally posted by Rara:
A retarded monkey on crack could have done a better job of engineering this particular kit.
I just thought it funny that after all that technical information shown to prove your point you ended up summing it all up in just one sentence...
I do have more colorful variations of the monkey thing, but none of them are CEG-legal, so if I used them I would have to ban myself.
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All right, I'm absolutely nuts, I think.
I always thought the Supercharger was better than a turbo because the power was available right from the get go and there was no "tubo lag".
Now it looks like I'm reading here that the Turbocharger is better than the Supercharger!
My first question comes after doing multi searches regarding the Automatic (ashamed, looking down, kicking feet) Contour with the 2.5L Duratec.
I've found the "Novi 1000" S/C is supposed to fit the Duratec 2.5L but it's not specific about whether it's for the auto or manual.
Do I have any chance of squeezing out more power from my automatic in the Turbo/Supercharger field. or should I go with a superchip, dual exhaust and call it a day? Does the superchip actually work and what superchip comes the most highly reccomended?
Thanks all.
Marc
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Originally posted by MarcRJ:
All right, I'm absolutely nuts, I think.
I always thought the Supercharger was better than a turbo because the power was available right from the get go and there was no "tubo lag".
Marc
There are 2 different types of superchargers marc. A roots type supercharger builds boost from the get-go but falls off on top. A centrifigal SP? supercharger builds boost as the rpms rise. A centrifigal supercharger is available for our cars. They are more effecient in the higher rpm than roots. there are ups and downs for all F/I setups.
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