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#726813 08/21/03 02:56 PM
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The first mistake everyone makes is to refer to cars as an investment. Unless it??s a genuine collectable and desirable, they are not.
The second mistake is that Ford has always built ??cars for the masses? and has no reason to build cars that take a long time to ??ware out?. Henry Ford actually set up the first auto recycling system. He would buy back cars and recycle the steel to build new ones. The majority of cars built today are built for rental houses and leases. 5 years and 100K is a lot to ask of a car on original factory parts. A statement that the contour is a disposable car applies to all cars and just about anything else you buy today (its?? just part of capitalism). Just check Edmunds ??true cost to own? on any car you like. See what the maintenance costs are in the forth and fifth year.

I could go on and on about the contour and fords (Jac the Ripper??s) efforts to build it and sell it cheap, but since we all own one so we already know this.

If the car was built the way we all wanted, most of us wouldn??t buy because we couldn??t afford it.

To sum it up, maintenance in the forth and fifth year of any car will get you. You just have to decide if you want to bite the bullet and do the work or buy a new car. Ford, GM, Honda and the rest of them are hoping you buy the new car. I chose to do the work since I could not find a new car that I actually liked. $1600 (that??s doing it all myself) later I have a car that is better then new. Let??s hope I have got all of Jac??s demons out of it.

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Originally posted by DimitriPopov:
Its no more a throwaway car than any other. If you like it , thats all that fcking matters. What is with car salesman and mechanics telling people their opinions while they are working or selling their cars. You are supposed to be a professional , you dont state your friggin opinion. Especially about the same car that thsi person has , how stupid and how big of an ass can you be.




How is stating an opinion being an ass? Just because it might conflict with your own doesn't mean the other person is trying to bash you. I do not think that stating an opinion in a business world is unprofessional, so long as you don't try and imply that it is fact.

I've rarely seen a salesperson disrespect their own products, but trust me if one of them do I take it to heart and take the extra time to find out if the information was solid before purchasing.

I have firsthand experience at being a mechanic. I can honestly say that 95% of my customers valued my assesment of their vehicles. In fact, because of this message board I advised other Contour owners who had the Duratec motors to watch out for their water pumps because they were plastic and prone to being unreliable. A few actually made appointments to have them changed out with the metal Auto Zone replacements and ALL of them were satisfied with my work because I boxed up their old part as proof. One person who lives 30 miles away now makes the extra drive to get his work done through us when at all possible. One of the water pumps I boxed up had a hairline crack in it (black impeller) and showed signs of deterioration. The customer owning that car tipped me BIG time, and the same story... she was just in for tires when I originally told her about her water pump but has swapped her other service needs over to us.

Mechanics love junk cars that are out of warranty. The more we can depend on the customer to bring us their cars, the more secure our job becomes. But holding out on information becomes a moral issue. Do you keep your mouth shut and let someone blindly empty their pocket book or do you use that knowledge to give them a warning so that they can make an informed decision? You have no idea how many people come in to us who only know how to start their cars, drive them and MAYBE put gas in them.

There are a few things the regular car owner does not know that the mechanic does.
1. The labor costs of normal repairs to their vehicle, and yes it differs greatly between some vehicles.
2. The reliability of those parts when they go into the car as well as the surrounding parts.
3. The resale value of their particular car.

I won't go into all these as I have made my post long enough, but opinions help people. There is just a right way and a wrong way to express them. And as long as you express it in a way that leaves the customer the right to choose, you have done nothing wrong. You have given them extra information that they may not have had otherwise. I have never been chewed out for giving my 2 cents to a customer, and have made more regular customers because of it. No, not every Tom, Dick, and Harry get my 2 cents but I do give it out to regulars or people who talk to me after the work is done. Those who just want their work done and want to get out of there have their wishes respected, and that is apparent from the moment they bring the car to you.

And no, not all cars are throwaway.

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Originally posted by mycainsbroken:
my pop has been a mechanic for 20+ years, he says

"ALL CARS ARE JUNK.....YOU JUST HAVE TO FIND THE BEST JUNK!"

So true......all cars no matter make and model has pro's and con's.....BTW my tour has been the best investment so far. (my 3 1/2 cents)


That is my philosophy.


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#726816 08/21/03 04:49 PM
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Originally posted by Beachboy:


When you look around your house, virtually everything today is meant to be thrown away rather than fixed. When was the last time you fixed a TV, VCR, or refrigerator? Cars seem to be following the same trend.




I agree...


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i agree too, some things just aren't made the way they used to be


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Funny you should mention that. I just resoldered my DVD's PCB for the power board to bring it back from the dead. Cost me all of 5 cents worth of solder to get it to turn on again, and its been running strong ever since.

The problem with collecting things is that the most valuable things are purchased when they are new without knowing or intending it to be a collectable. I am sure that in 1969 if Camaro owners knew that their cars would go for several grand more than they paid for them, you would have seen a lot less of them sold and/or abused. Because the cars had been modified and abused and treated like a normal run of the mill car, there are few of them left. They also have a popular styling to our generation and are sought after quite a bit, which is what makes them collectable and valuable. Of course, on the other end of the spectrum there are people who feel that the 1969 Camaro is overpriced. But the point is that there are plenty of people willing to pay that much for it. These things that are marketed as collectables from the beginning rarely see a price hike, as the majority of them are still in original wrapping.

As I stated before, you have to own a car because you love it for it to be worth anything. Except for the most extreme circumstances you will always put more into the car than you will get back out of it. Gas, oil, brakes, tires do not factor into the resale value of a car as any of you already know. Just stuff to think about.

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people my think my car is a throw away car, and wonder why i modify a Contour, but i love my contour and would never throw it away, thas why i joined this place, to be with people who loved their contours too, so i guess they may think our cars are throw away cars, but its always funny to show them what a sleeper our cars can be, i love my contour adn would never throw it away, CONTOUR FOREVER

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hell ya


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Originally posted by mercman:
The first mistake everyone makes is to refer to cars as an investment. Unless it??s a genuine collectable and desirable, they are not.

jeff





I have to disagree. The biggest mistake many people make is not treating a car like an investment. For most people the purchase of a car is a significant investment - probably the second or third biggest investment they will make (behind a house and a college education).

I am shocked at how many people will purchase a car on a whim with little or no forethought. I have even known people who have decided to purchase a particular car becaue they liked the color.

If you get stuck with a lemon without first at least checking out Consumer Reports - you deserve what you get.

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Originally posted by 96RedSE5Sp:
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If you get stuck with a lemon without first at least checking out Consumer Reports - you deserve what you get.




I knew there was a conservative inside you

Actually NO-ONE deserves a lemon, but yes I agree that those who buy without doing research are more likely to get a citrus like car.

So I agree that folks SHOULD do the research, but even those who own lemons PERFORM ALL THE RECOMMENDED MAINTENANCE AND NOT ABUSE THEIR CARS deserve satisfaction.

We have stories here of folks who drag race their cars, break a differential or three, and still get tranny's replaced.

Others who are believeable, never beat on their car, get warranty repairs denied because some service writer claims the car was abused.

No customer who properly maintains a car they purchased with their money DESERVES a lemon. Instead they deserve the highest level of customer satisfaction.

TB


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