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I have discovered (thanks to the good people in this forum) that my coolant temperature sensor has failed again. It is the third sensor in eight months, any ideas on why I'm going through them so fast, I have to assume there is a larger peoblem at play. btw, I am now driving it with the sensors harness unplugged so the fan stays on all the time....is this a bad thing.
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Originally posted by mcole: I have discovered (thanks to the good people in this forum) that my coolant temperature sensor has failed again. It is the third sensor in eight months, any ideas on why I'm going through them so fast, I have to assume there is a larger peoblem at play. btw, I am now driving it with the sensors harness unplugged so the fan stays on all the time....is this a bad thing.
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Mike Cole 95 Contour 4cyl Zetech
Mike,
You aren't describing your problem.
What is happning that makes you think it is the coolant sensor ? Are you getting a CEL ? Have your Engine Wiring harnesses been updated ?
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Hi Peter,
I figure the sensor is gone because, like the last few times the car began to intermittantly over heat for a couple of days and then constantly, the fan no longer kicks in when the temp goes beyond normal, if I am driving on the highway I remain a bit above normal but once I slow down it starts to rise. When it first started to heat up I could just turn off the car, reseat the sensor connector and upon restart everything would be fine, this only worked two days now the fan is not coming on at all. I am not getting a CEL, which I thought I should of. I will pull the codes tonight. I have not replaced the wire harness, it is original.
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Originally posted by mcole: Hi Peter,
I figure the sensor is gone because, like the last few times the car began to intermittantly over heat for a couple of days and then constantly, the fan no longer kicks in when the temp goes beyond normal, if I am driving on the highway I remain a bit above normal but once I slow down it starts to rise. When it first started to heat up I could just turn off the car, reseat the sensor connector and upon restart everything would be fine, this only worked two days now the fan is not coming on at all. I am not getting a CEL, which I thought I should of. I will pull the codes tonight. I have not replaced the wire harness, it is original.
Have you replaced the SENDER for the Temperature Gauge ?
If you car recently overheated, the SENDER could be damaged, and when it indicates that your engine temp is HOT, it actually isn't.
The SENDER for the Temp Gauge is different than the Coolant sensor. It only has ONE wire. The Coolant Sensor has 2 wires.
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Thanks I,ll check but when I take the harness of of the coolant sensor so the fan turns on the temp returns to normal, would this not indicate that the sender is working?
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From the '95 shop manual:
There are two temp sensors in the '95 Zetec t'stat housing.
The upper one, base part # 12A648, is the one that the PCM uses for engine and cooling fan control.
The lower one, base part # 10884, is the one that the temp gauge uses, they are independant from each other.
It appears that the one you're having trouble with is the upper one. Disconnecting it means that the PCM is getting incorrect engine temp data and is making the wrong decisions about how to control the engine (aren't you getting a CEL?). Running without this sensor can't be good for the engine in the long run - I'd get it replaced ASAP.
It's basically a thermistor that supplies a variable resistance/voltage signal to the PCM that changes with engine temp. Usually, they have an inverse temp coefficient which means that its resistance goes down as the temp rises (not sure in this case, and don't know what the values should be).
So far as their failing, when you installed them, maybe you overtorqued them in the t'stat housing and damaged them internally (grasping at straws here). The spec for the torque on that sensor is 89-124 lb-in (~7-10 lb-ft). That's not a real high torque. Aside from being electrically or physically abused, there's not a lot you can do to a thermistor to mess it up. When you remove it, does the part that projects into the coolant look OK, or is it all corroded?
Some other modes of failure that come to mind of would be: 1) if the PCM was supplying too much current to the sensor and was damaging it (not likely, the PCM would prolly show other problems as well) or 2) the wiring harness has an intermittant short or open somewhere in it and is either damaging the sensor or is sending erratic readings to the PCM (your '95 is one of the years that COULD have the wiring harness insulation problem + recall, search for "harness") or 3) the sensor's connector on the harness is corroded or somehow else messed up inside and works OK briefly when you disconnect it and then reconnect it but then gets erratic after a period of time. Check the inside of the connector on the harness to see if there's any corrosion or other sign of damage to it.
Hope this helps & good luck!!
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Thanks Kurt,
I did tighten her on there pretty good, I'll be gentler next time. I'll check it all out and let you know.
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Originally posted by mcole: Thanks I,ll check but when I take the harness of of the coolant sensor so the fan turns on the temp returns to normal, would this not indicate that the sender is working?
The TEMP GAUGE is not accurate to begin with. So unless you are actually plugged into the PCM and reading the ECT Sensor data stream, you REALLY don't know what the coolant temperature is.
So basing your coolant temperature on what the Temp Gauge reads is wrong. Replacing the Temp Gauge SENDER may bring the needle down lower, and you would be more comfortable with the reading you are getting.
Unless the coolant is BOILING in the reservoir, you aren't overheating.
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