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My-stique died today, timing chain failure?? #650269 05/31/03 09:51 AM
Joined: May 2002 Posts: 606 Among the redwoods, north of t... P PranQster_dup1 OP Veteran CEG\'er
OP PranQster_dup1 Veteran CEG\'er P Joined: May 2002 Posts: 606 Among the redwoods, north of t...	I went to work (approx. 14 miles)... car started fine, was running fine... got about 2/3 the way there and noticed a considerable loss of power and VERY late shifting (though not rough), also an extreme increase in my intake air volume at the filter... sounded like a nuclear powered suck-o-lux, but it would warble a little like it was struggling to breathe.... My ATX tranny has had a come-and-go slow leak and I have been checking fluid level daily... was afraid I accidentally put in too much juice and damaged my transmission... called tranny shop and arranged to limp the car up there (15 miles to the shop)... about 2 miles into the trip to the tran. shop I had to climb a hill... car lost all power... couldn't start and had to be towed to nearest repair shop.... called the transmission shop to cancel... there are metallic clunking noises at just above idle... say 1200-2000RPM is easy to hear clunking from the drivers seat... sounded like general area of transmission.... under the hood it was harder to pinpoint, but seemed (SEEMED) to come from under the rear valve cover on passenger side, where the chain should be. The shop didn't have much time to check it our other than simple first impression diagnostics and the believe it may very well be a timing chain... I HOPE no damaged valves It's an old Mystique but it is just breaking 60k miles. Why, oh why?? '95 'stiqueLS 2.5L ATX S&B / CTA intake KEM Mag-Plus wires 1/4" TH fix Homemade heat shield Xenon bulbs Fog light rewire ATX cooler Flowmaster 942042 Blacked-out pseudo-chrome

Re: My-stique died today, timing chain failure?? #650270 05/31/03 10:32 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 808 Lexington Park, MD O Obsidian Veteran CEG\'er
Obsidian Veteran CEG\'er O Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 808 Lexington Park, MD	Thats about the time most timing belts/chains go out from what I hear. I replaced my belt at 83,000 and water pump too. Got one with the metal impeller. On another note, sorry about your car. I got a 95 too but I have the four. Great cars to have such big problems. 95 Mystique GS Zetec ATX: Dead - Dec 5th, 2003 94 Accord LX 2.2L MTX Non-Vtec. Few bolt ons. 02 Escape XLT 3.0 V6 ATX. This thing has the CD4E in it?! What the hell was ford thinking?

Re: My-stique died today, timing chain failure?? #650271 05/31/03 07:25 PM
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 160 Southeastern PA K KurtD CEG\'er
KurtD CEG\'er K Joined: May 2003 Posts: 160 Southeastern PA	Originally posted by Obsidian: Thats about the time most timing belts/chains go out from what I hear. I replaced my belt at 83,000 and water pump too. Got one with the metal impeller. On another note, sorry about your car. I got a 95 too but I have the four. Great cars to have such big problems. Timing BELTS may fail at around those mileages, but usually not chains (although it's not impossible). It may be that the chain tensioner for the right bank crapped out (a concern on early 2.5L engines, I think it was fixed in '96 & later years) and the chain is flopping around and jumped a couple of teeth on the sprockets. There's an upgrade for the early Duratecs that changes the chain tensioner(s) configuration to one that is less prone to leak-down but it requires retrofitting later model valve timing components to the engine. Prolly not a warranty upgrade/fix either, not sure. There have been other threads here talking about cold start timing chain noises in '95 Duratecs, this failure may be related to that issue. It's also a problem in current 4.6L & 5.4L modular engines, not the failure, but the cold start-up noise. I sure hope that PranQster didn't do major damage to his engine. All that clattering can't be a good sign. Kurt Last edited by KurtD; 05/31/03 07:34 PM. '95 Contour SE, MTX, Champagne '03 EB Expedition, Med Wedgewood Blue

Re: My-stique died today, timing chain failure?? #650272 05/31/03 07:27 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 29 2 2000BLKSVT New CEG\'er
2000BLKSVT New CEG\'er 2 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 29	If the timing chain does break, you will immediately have no power. Timing chains usually last a very long time. Timing belts will break much sooner and must be replaced as per the manufacturer. Timing chains will usually last the life of the vehicle. From your description of the problem, it does not sound like your timing chain broke. These 2.5 liter engines are interference type engines, so if your timing chain did break, you will probably also need a valve job as well. If your timing chain did break, it would be very unusual since timing chains on these cars are almost never a problem.

Re: My-stique died today, timing chain failure?? #650273 06/01/03 08:28 AM
Joined: May 2002 Posts: 606 Among the redwoods, north of t... P PranQster_dup1 OP Veteran CEG\'er
OP PranQster_dup1 Veteran CEG\'er P Joined: May 2002 Posts: 606 Among the redwoods, north of t...	I think it may well be that a chain has skipped or broken teeth off a cam... it may well be related to the startup chain noise... my car used to do that on a regular basis, then the noise went away for awhile, then recently I noticed the startup chain rattle happening again. This is not fun, but I am looking forward to the learning experience... I'm also looking forward to the opportunity to finally fix my ATX leak while dealing with this problem... gotta see how the $$ situation turns out... time to kiss a$$ to my employer and my bank '95 'stiqueLS 2.5L ATX S&B / CTA intake KEM Mag-Plus wires 1/4" TH fix Homemade heat shield Xenon bulbs Fog light rewire ATX cooler Flowmaster 942042 Blacked-out pseudo-chrome

Re: My-stique died today, timing chain failure?? #650274 06/01/03 08:51 AM
Joined: Aug 2001 Posts: 834 Mount Vernon, NY N nOsSvTcOnToUr_dup1 Veteran CEG\'er
nOsSvTcOnToUr_dup1 Veteran CEG\'er N Joined: Aug 2001 Posts: 834 Mount Vernon, NY	dude pm me. that crap jsut happened to me and i just did my motor swap. Pm me and lets talk HaHa You Watching me? Keep Watching

Re: My-stique died today, timing chain failure?? #650275 06/01/03 07:50 PM
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 160 Southeastern PA K KurtD CEG\'er
KurtD CEG\'er K Joined: May 2003 Posts: 160 Southeastern PA	Originally posted by PranQster: I think it may well be that a chain has skipped or broken teeth off a cam... This is not fun, but I am looking forward to the learning experience... Man! I can think of a lot less painful ways of having a learning experience!! I just hope the racket you heard was the chain rattling around and not the valves and pistons doing the hunka-chunka Good luck, man!! Kurt '95 Contour SE, MTX, Champagne '03 EB Expedition, Med Wedgewood Blue

Re: My-stique died today, timing chain failure?? #650276 06/02/03 10:37 AM
Joined: May 2002 Posts: 606 Among the redwoods, north of t... P PranQster_dup1 OP Veteran CEG\'er
OP PranQster_dup1 Veteran CEG\'er P Joined: May 2002 Posts: 606 Among the redwoods, north of t...	I think it'll be ok... up until it stopped it was running very sluggish uphill.. parked at idle and slightly revved I could hear some rattle beneath the rear (right?) valve cover, but it was feeling normal downhill and shifting smoothly etc... couldn't tell anything was wrong until it required some torque... then it lost all power going uphill... but it did no loud clanking, no strange sounds when that happened... wouldn't start after that though it was trying... no unusual sounds while cranking either.... I think it's not operating the rear cams at all... shop is closed on weekends and the mechanic on duty could only spend about 5-10 minutes for first-impressions on Friday... he said though it wouldn't start it was turning the front cam(s) but couldn't see the rear cams but didn't think they were turning... I'm guessing he was checking the cam position through the oil fill hole. Sorry if I'm being redundant... just trying to cover all bases and provide as much info as possible. Thanks for the support :) '95 'stiqueLS 2.5L ATX S&B / CTA intake KEM Mag-Plus wires 1/4" TH fix Homemade heat shield Xenon bulbs Fog light rewire ATX cooler Flowmaster 942042 Blacked-out pseudo-chrome

My-stique died today - Driver failure! #650277 06/02/03 05:58 PM
Joined: Sep 2000 Posts: 9,602 KC, MO D DemonSVT_dup1 Hard-core CEG'er
DemonSVT_dup1 Hard-core CEG'er D Joined: Sep 2000 Posts: 9,602 KC, MO	Known bad condition, making audible noises and you still drove it around a considerable amount. Are we suppose to have pity of you for doing such! COMMON SENSE people! 2000 SVT #674 13.47 @ 102 - All Motor! It was not broke; Yet I fixed it anyway.

Re: My-stique died today - Driver failure! #650278 06/03/03 02:49 AM
Joined: May 2002 Posts: 606 Among the redwoods, north of t... P PranQster_dup1 OP Veteran CEG\'er
OP PranQster_dup1 Veteran CEG\'er P Joined: May 2002 Posts: 606 Among the redwoods, north of t...	Hehe, whatever dude...you weren't there so mellow out. Anyway I came to post that it was un unrelated problem and the sounds only had appeared to be coming from where I thought I heard them... I had the main cat go bad on me... The mechanic at the shop couldn't get the car to start yesterday, but today it started fine when it was cold... he found there was hardly any exhaust pressure. Said it was no charge, so I got him a case of beer, then I unbolted my main cat and saw broken brick material and wire etc come out... drove the car home loudly, removed the cat and gutted the thing... put it back on and all is well now. The clogged cat explains why the rasp had disappeared from the exhaust... which is now back to it's old raspy self. Better than a bad chain, huh? '95 'stiqueLS 2.5L ATX S&B / CTA intake KEM Mag-Plus wires 1/4" TH fix Homemade heat shield Xenon bulbs Fog light rewire ATX cooler Flowmaster 942042 Blacked-out pseudo-chrome

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