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Ed, you live in Virgina. Virginia=t3h south.
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Originally posted by baco99:
Originally posted by sigma:
Do you ever go out to Clubs or Bars?
yes, quite often, thank you.
So. given the choice, do you go to clubs that you like, or to clubs where you "compromise" your own enjoyment? I talking about going out by yourself, on a night that you've planned entirely on your own, just like a Prom.
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and i agree, this whole scenario is rooted in racism, and by not encouraging both parties to have a party together and COMRPROMISE on what music to listen to, what decorations to use, and what clothes to wear, these kids will never learn how to function in a civilized society. life is about compromises. and any school-related/sanctioned dance or party or meal or field trip should be organized so that all the kids are given the opportunity to interact with each other.
I agree with you in principle.
However, Proms are paid for and arranged by, the students, entirely on their own. At least, that's how it worked at all 3 of my High Schools.
If this is how the students want to do it, what's wrong with that?
Let's say, just for the argument, that this is based on hate. Is it "Racism" (in the traditional, not literal sense) if both parties are perfectly fine with the status quo?
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Originally posted by sigma:
going out by yourself, on a night that you've planned entirely on your own, just like a Prom.
from my experiences, proms are not organized and designed by one person. it was never "my choice" on where to go FOR the prom. before and after the prom, yes. but during, no. the committee (which i was a part of one year) decides where it is, what is served, how long it lasts, etc... and ALL decisions needed to be approved by the faculty supervisors and principal before coming to fruition.
Originally posted by sigma:
I agree with you in principle.
However, Proms are paid for and arranged by, the students, entirely on their own. At least, that's how it worked at all 3 of my High Schools.
see above. and further, if you didn't like what happened at the prom, you didn't have to go. you were never FORCED to go. but once you were there you were expected to participate with the whole community, not just whites or blacks or latinos or asians.
of course, some people griped about the music selection, bt all-in-all everyone had a good time. would we have had a good time if we had all been with "like people"? maybe, but what a frickin boring party!!!!! i'd much rather be around people NOT like me so i can learn from them and what they have to say.
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Is it "Racism" (in the traditional, not literal sense) if both parties are perfectly fine with the status quo?
no, but you are forgetting that the whole premise for the two separate dances, in this particular case, is based primarily on race. also note the comments in this article and the last article about "problems with inter-racial dating." it's not a problem if you don't live in a f*king racist CAVE!
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here's the whole article from the AP:
Georgia high school students plan white-only prom
BUTLER, Georgia (AP) --Gerica McCrary said she cried when she heard about the decision to hold a separate white-only prom only a year after she helped bring black and white students together in her rural high school's first integrated prom.
Many white students at Taylor County High School said they plan to attend next week's mixed prom, but a small number of whites said they also wanted a private party.
Juniors are charged with planning the prom each year and last year they decided to have just one dance -- the first integrated prom in 31 years in the rural Georgia county 150 miles south of Atlanta.
Until then, parents and students organized separate proms for whites and blacks after school officials stopped sponsoring dances, in part because they wanted to avoid problems arising from interracial dating.
After school integration, separate proms were common in the rural South. Taylor County was among the last to cling to the practice.
Erin Posey, a white senior, said the entire junior class joined together in hosting last year's prom, but this year's junior class wasn't as unified.
"I think a lot of seniors were disappointed," she said. "Now we have to choose between two groups of friends."
The school has 439 students, 232 of them black. McCrary, who is black, and a white friend passed out fliers informing students of all races that they would be welcome at the May 9 prom at nearby Fort Valley State University. The private prom is Friday night 50 miles away in Columbus.
"I would have liked to see it together this year," said Gerard Latimore, a black junior class president who helped organize this year's integrated prom night. "My class would have, too. It just didn't happen this year."
Gerard's mother, Glenda Latimore, a 1972 graduate, attended a segregated prom. She said relatives in Philadelphia and New Jersey laugh when they read about Taylor County's prom.
"It seems like it's something secret," she said. "The white people are afraid to speak up against the separation.
"But I went to a black prom and I had fun," she added. "It didn't kill me, so I tell my son, 'Just go to the prom and have fun. Don't come out hating anyone."'
sounds like last year's prom was a good idea after all. too bad the decision makers are racists and the school doesn't have wherewithall to butt in.
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additionally, here's last year's article from AP:
Ga. school plans first integrated prom
BUTLER, Georgia (AP) --Nearly 15 years before Gerica McCrary was born, recently integrated Taylor County High School stopped sponsoring a prom. Parents and students set up their own -- one for blacks and one for whites.
The tradition continued for 31 springs in this rural county of 8,800 midway between Columbus and Macon in central Georgia until McCrary asked her fellow juniors to "stand for what is right" and vote to hold one prom for students of all races.
"In the beginning, the students were afraid of change," the black 17-year-old said. "But the kids got together. The students tore down the Berlin Wall. Both sides were tired of it.
"Now, I walk through the halls of the school and people are smiling," she said. "It brings tears to my eyes. We are in unity."
The junior class is responsible for setting up each year's prom, so next year's class could vote to go back to separate dances. But McCrary and others are hopeful that their May 3 bash -- at a hotel 50 miles away in Columbus -- will end the long history of segregation.
Taylor County High School has 420 students, 226 of them black. Nearly 75 percent of the juniors and seniors supported McCrary's proposal for one prom.
The decision upset a few parents, but only because they have a hard time adjusting to change, said Steve Smith, a high school algebra teacher who attended Taylor County schools during desegregation. He and his wife are assisting the junior class on behalf of their daughter and niece, both Taylor County students.
"We work together. We go to school together. Why is one night out of the year a big deal?" he asked.
Public schools in the rural South ignored federal orders to desegregate for decades. Taylor County did not allow blacks and whites to sit in the same classrooms until 16 years after the 1954 Supreme Court ruling in Brown vs. the Board of Education of Topeka, Kansas, which declared segregated schools unconstitutional.
Many rural Georgia high schools didn't integrate until the 1970s. After that, many school officials stopped sponsoring proms, in part because of the fear of interracial dating.
In some areas, parents and students would hold their own proms -- often separated by race. Taylor County is among the last to cling to the practice. Vidalia city schools in east central Georgia still have separate proms.
Even today, Taylor County school officials don't like to discuss the prom, saying it is a private event. In some other south Georgia counties, students shun the school-sponsored proms and attend private spring dances at country clubs or meeting halls instead.
Ralph Noble, president of the 37,000-member Georgia Association of Educators, said the students' decision "truly shows that children are wiser than adults many times."
McCrary, who has a 4.0 average and participates in several extracurricular activities, said she was inspired by a classroom slogan that said: "Stand for what is right, or stand alone."
"At first, I was standing alone," she said. "Some thought it was absurd. I wanted unity, diversity, equality. Now, when I walk through the school, people congratulate me."
McCrary and about a dozen fellow students were making prom decorations in the cafeteria this week. She rushed from table to table, encouraging and praising classmates who were stuffing invitations into envelopes and painting signs festooned with glitter.
"She's definitely a leader," said Jeremie Williams, a black junior. "I was for it all along. I saw how other schools were coming together and I thought we should come together and have one prom. I'll go and have a good time." truly sad to see someone's noble efforts go virtually unrecognized. 
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Originally posted by PackRat:
Ed, you live in Virgina. Virginia=t3h south.
Bwwwwwwwhahahahahaha, that is very true, by the way, isn't the Mason Dixon Line......the one separating the North and South on the Va - WVa line, thereby making Virgina itself part of the South  ???
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Originally posted by PackRat:
Ed, you live in Virgina. Virginia=t3h south.
I was going to say this myself, but you beat me to it...
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Originally posted by PackRat:
Ed, you live in Virgina. Virginia=t3h south.
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As for the separate proms, it only further aggrivates racial tension and does nothing to bring the two groups together. Total BS of people terrified of being proved wrong--there is NOTHING wrong with interracial relationships.
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I think some of you are reading to much into this. After reading the article it looks like there was a Black and White prom. Not a rap and country music party. There are still people out there who believe in segregation. We don't like to think about it but it is still happening. We forget that our grandparents maybe parents grew up in the 60's. If they grew up in the south then they lived with segregation. Some people have a hard time dealing with change. It's just good to see that some of them are living in our decade.
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Originally posted by sigma:
Is it "Racism" (in the traditional, not literal sense) if both parties are perfectly fine with the status quo?
Dude, racism/racial hate/bigotry/segregational thinking is the status quo...ever been to GA, or better yet, to rural GA? My neighbor down there thought that "the (civil) war wasn't over". Never have I seen such bigotry in my life...and it's all very shameful. Not that it's GA that's shameful - I loved the ATL, primarily because of the landscape, but also because it was integrated more than the exclusively pale area I grew up in (i.e. the midwest). In essence - just because it's the status quo, just because they are young, and just because it's privately funded doesn't make it right. Legal, maybe, but ignorant and wrong - yes. And to foster it in kids just makes it that much more wrong.
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