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anyone watch tonights game (Thursday). Man, whats with the Leafs?! they lost to the worst team in the league (or close to)... first period, 4 F#$KING FIGHTS!  Common guys, they are just self destructing out there. maan the trade is a good trade though. Owen Nolen, nice.
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Originally posted by SnafuFlux:
anyone watch tonights game (Thursday). Man, whats with the Leafs?! they lost to the worst team in the league (or close to)...
first period, 4 F#$KING FIGHTS! Common guys, they are just self destructing out there.
maan the trade is a good trade though. Owen Nolen, nice.
They're just venting their frustration the only way they can. Guys like Tucker have cried wolf for far too long, and they have nobody left to cry to. The refs are sick of it, and the league is sick of it. Give them a couple of games to let the lineup changes take effect and we should be back on track. (And I'm not ragging on Tucker, that's just the way he plays. You take the good with the bad.)
Yes, Domi has been a repeat offender in the league, but he didn't even drop his gloves. Do you really think he's dumb enough to drop 'em with Arvedson? He just pushed him around a little to let him know he felt the stick. I guarantee Arvedson won't try doing it again.
Since this entire scrum was under the scrutiny of the league, why wasn't Alfredsson repremanded for attempting to stick Domi while the scrum was happening? Oh, I forgot, Alfredsson is a "nice guy", Mr. Lady Bing, and would never try to swing his stick menacingly at another player! What was I thinking?! 
The Leafs have never done well against Ottawa in the regular season, but it's the post-season that counts. I'm sure Ottawa will be golfing long before the Leafs again this year. 
And I'm sad to see McCauley go - he's been a dedicated Leaf for a few years now, and can turn it up in the playoffs when needed. San Jose has got one hell of a player there. That said, I think Toronto got the better deal for the immediate future, which is what we're finally concerned with. Nice for a change! Nolan will only add to our grit and skill, and other teams are going to take a beating against us in the playoffs!
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Originally posted by delmar:
They're just venting their frustration the only way they can. Guys like Tucker have cried wolf for far too long, and they have nobody left to cry to. The refs are sick of it, and the league is sick of it. Give them a couple of games to let the lineup changes take effect and we should be back on track. (And I'm not ragging on Tucker, that's just the way he plays. You take the good with the bad.)
Yes, Domi has been a repeat offender in the league, but he didn't even drop his gloves. Do you really think he's dumb enough to drop 'em with Arvedson? He just pushed him around a little to let him know he felt the stick. I guarantee Arvedson won't try doing it again.
Since this entire scrum was under the scrutiny of the league, why wasn't Alfredsson repremanded for attempting to stick Domi while the scrum was happening? Oh, I forgot, Alfredsson is a "nice guy", Mr. Lady Bing, and would never try to swing his stick menacingly at another player! What was I thinking?!
The Leafs have never done well against Ottawa in the regular season, but it's the post-season that counts. I'm sure Ottawa will be golfing long before the Leafs again this year.
And I'm sad to see McCauley go - he's been a dedicated Leaf for a few years now, and can turn it up in the playoffs when needed. San Jose has got one hell of a player there. That said, I think Toronto got the better deal for the immediate future, which is what we're finally concerned with. Nice for a change! Nolan will only add to our grit and skill, and other teams are going to take a beating against us in the playoffs!
If that's they way Tucker plays, maybe he should re-examine a few things. He wasn't this bad when he came from Tampa. And he backtracked on the spitting thing. Now, I watched the footage over and over again, and I didn't see anything. Tucker was moving pretty quick though, so it is hard to tell.
The fact that Domi didn't drop his gloves makes it worse. Then it's a fighting major, and the ref's job is simple.
As for Alfredsson sticking Domi, I have yet to see that in the footage on TSN or Sportsnet. If he did it, fine, he should be punished. Stickwork is garbage, pure and simple, and it should be out of the game. End of story.
By the same token, I have yet to see Arvedson spear Domi as noted in a post above. If he did it, that's wrong.
I still argue with a friend about Alfreddson's hit on Tucker last year from the playoffs. I thought it was dirty until I saw the reverse angle which clearly shows Alfie changing direction at the last second to make it a clean hit from the side (and his wife drove and SVT? He can't be evil!). If you watch the tape from all angles, you cannot deny it. And you know, I thought a broken shoulder took more than 4 games to heal.... maybe the Leafs brought in Pope Scotty to heal the injury.
Anyway, this is well and good to talk about now, but the playoffs are coming, as are the playoff pools and Canadians yelling at their TVs to no end. Can't wait!
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I'm a Leaf fan, but first and foremost, I'm a hockey fan. I love to see the better team win, even if that sees the Leafs losing. I was disappointed when the Leafs lost to Carolina last year, but I wasn't too upset as Carolina clearly outplayed Toronto. That said, I'll be wearing my jersey and cheering for the blue and white as long as they're in the playoffs.
If Ottawa outplays Toronto in the playoffs like they have during the regular season, then so be it, I'll wish them luck as I would any other team. I'm sick of seeing teams go farther than they deserve. That's an obvious contradiction, I know, but you know what I mean - I want to see the best teams play, not teams that are temporarily overachieving.
Back to the "incident", Alfredsson didn't actually swing his stick at Domi - he was attempting to get it free to swing it, but Reichel had his stick tied up so that Alfie couldn't get free. If he could, maybe Domi wouldn't be quite such a bad guy through all this. I agree that any stickwork should be removed from the game and / or dealt with harshly.
And you really think keeping your gloves on is WORSE than dropping them to scrap? Have you even been in a hockey fight? I'd much rather be hit with a gloved punch than a closed fist any day! By keeping his gloves on, Domi showed that he wasn't going to pummel Arvedson, he was just taking exception to the alleged stickwork. If Domi dropped the gloves and pounded the stuffing out of Arvedson, he'd be gone for a lot more than 3 games!
As far as Tucker is concerned, well, you live by the sword, you die by the sword. Sooner or later it all comes back to you, and I'm sure Darcy is becoming increasingly aware of the repercussions of his actions. Nuff said.
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do you think the shot in the face was intentional? I've seem some players get in a scrum and start pushing each other around, and receive one in the face by accident. I guess it was pretty square in the face though. Hrm...
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Originally posted by delmar:
And you really think keeping your gloves on is WORSE than dropping them to scrap? Have you even been in a hockey fight? I'd much rather be hit with a gloved punch than a closed fist any day!
Arvedson's nose broke, gloves or no gloves. It hurts either way.
Dropping them would have been simpler from a penalty perspective. If he drops the Kohos to go, then it's fighting-related penalties, no more, and it's clear cut. But, by attacking a guy like that and not dropping them, it is different, as are the penalites (unless I am completely turned around on the rules, which is possible). I haven't been in a hockey fight, but I think if Tie had called Magnus out and dropped his gloves, even if there wasn't a fight, he would make the necessary statement in a way that didn't cost him and his team nearly as much. Not saying it would have better to drop the gloves, but ironically it might have been smarter.
Don't get me wrong, for years Tie was my guy. I was a Jets fan, and he kept Selanne from bleeding. But now, he seems to be losing it too often. Where's the Baumer when you need him?
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Originally posted by Phil Rohtla:
Arvedson's nose broke, gloves or no gloves. It hurts either way.
Dropping them would have been simpler from a penalty perspective. If he drops the Kohos to go, then it's fighting-related penalties, no more, and it's clear cut. But, by attacking a guy like that and not dropping them, it is different, as are the penalites (unless I am completely turned around on the rules, which is possible). I haven't been in a hockey fight, but I think if Tie had called Magnus out and dropped his gloves, even if there wasn't a fight, he would make the necessary statement in a way that didn't cost him and his team nearly as much. Not saying it would have better to drop the gloves, but ironically it might have been smarter.
Don't get me wrong, for years Tie was my guy. I was a Jets fan, and he kept Selanne from bleeding. But now, he seems to be losing it too often. Where's the Baumer when you need him?
Just in case it seems otherwise, I'm really not getting upset about all this or trying to insult anyone, I just love talking hockey psychology!  
Yes, it would have been easy for Tie to drop the mits and grab Arvedson, but I don't think that would send the intended message. I think Domi was in fact trying to play head games with him - you know, swat him a few times, scare the piss out of him, chase him around a little. Just to scare him and get him to back down. Mission accomplished I believe. (I'm not saying I blame him for not wanting to go with Domi - I know I wouldn't ) I think that, even with Domi getting suspended for it, it will show up in the playoffs how intimidated Arvedson is. I'm not saying I agree with the tactics, I'm just giving my perspective on the situation. I don't think Tie is a dumb "goon" by any means - he just playes tougher than most. That's his role, and he fills it as best he can.
Domi and Tucker are both warriors - they are not the average level-headed guys on the street. If they were, they would never have made it to the level they are at playing the way they do. They both have a few screws loose, and this sometimes results in poor judgement. In the game of hockey, it's the millisecond decisions that win or lose games, and sometimes instinct takes hold over reason. That said, I don't think they are the worst offenders in the league, but they need to realize that anything Toronto does these days will be looked at through a magnifying glass.
On another note, the Nolan pickup, and now the Wesley pickup are starting to heat things up for the playoffs. Now if Ottawa gets Ray then we may have a war on our hands! I love hockey!
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We got Rob Ray. The press asked him if what Domi did to Arvedson bothered him, and he responded "At the time, no, now yes."
I'll give you that Domi is a warrior, but he's got to learn control. He is one of those enforcers that also gets results on the score sheet, and for I appreciate what he brings to the table.
Tucker is one of the few people on the league I can honestly say I truly hate. He plays dirty, then acts all innocent. He's not the only one in the league (Marchment), but he makes me really miss the good ol' days before the instigator rule, where someone like Tiger Williams or Cementhead would have made him look like Tim Hunter as punishment for his actions. He's good enough to make it without the cheap shots.
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Ah, the days of the instigator rule. I agree that much of the stickwork and cheap-shotery would be gone from the game if that rule were axed.
One of my favourite leaf moments was when Tucker (on Tampa at the time) nailed Sundin in a game at the Gardens. (One of the very few games I actually got to see live). Steve Thomas came in and gave Tucker a few shots, nothing major, and the scuffle ended with Tucker telling Thomes he'd break his nose (grabbing his own nose and wiggling it, and pointing to Thomas).
Well, later in the game, both players drop 'em and go. It was a fairly even fight, with Thomas probably winning by a split decision. On the way to the box, Thomas checks his nose, finds it isn't broken, and gives Tucker the  look. What a great guy Thomas was - he is definately missed!
Honestly I don't consider Tucker a cheapshot artist, but I do think that he occasionally steps over the very fine line of playing dirty. But I know from experience that when you're playing balls to the wall at 99% throttle, accidents happen all too easily.
I heard on the way home that Ottawa picked up Ray - he's definately part of what Ottawa has lacked in previous post-seasons. Both teams seem to be making a legitimate stab at it this year!
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