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So, I've been reading Puhn's book, "How to Make Your Car Handle," and a few things caught my attention.

1. Fred loves sway bars. He says they are the most cost effective, best bang for the buck handling improvement you can make to a street car, without making big compromises in ride comfort. With this, I have to agree, even though the trend of late is everybody lowering their cars with uprated springs. "Modify your springs," says Puhn, "only if you have a specific reason to do so."

2. Another point Fred makes about swaybars: He quotes a test in which the rubber bushings were replaced by solid bushings, and the effectiveness of the .8" bar was then equal to that of a 1" bar in a conventional rubber mounting. Think about this. A 20.3mm bar was as effective as a 25.4mm bar. Now, when Fred says "solid," he doesn't mean polyurethane. He means metal to metal with grease fittings like you might see in a race application.

So my question to the panel is this:

How much stiffer is polyurethane than rubber? How much of a gain can we expect by just switching out our bushings? Or, how can we figure it out?


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The author is right - poly motor mounts & bushings + Aussie bar made an incredible improvement in my all-around (and spirited) driving experience.
Go to a performance store and do a side by side comparison between a polyurethane vs. rubber bushing and you can tell the difference even thru the shrink-wrap (plus, poly won't rot out like rubber does!)

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Anyone else? Pascal?


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This all makes very good sense. I'll throw my take at it, to sorta supplement the condensed information you posted. I'm sure Puhn was very thorough in his book, I've yet to read that one.

The sway bar is basically a U-shaped piece of metal, that lays "flat" against the bottom of the car, and has each end of the "U" connected to a "moving" part of the suspension assembly, be it the A-arm or the strut body itself.

When the car leans into a corner, the outside suspension compresses which wants to bring the tip of the "U" up. Well since it's also got its other tip connected to the other side of the chassis which is trying to extend, the "U" will have to twist to accomodate both movements. The larger the bar, the more resistance to twisting. Simple.

The two attachment points under the car's body are there to support the bar itself, as well as provide "bracing" to force the bar into twisting... Otherwise it would just "lean" freely and be useless. Still simple.

Now let's install that large bar on soft or worn rubber bushings. When the car leans into a corner, the sway bar has to recieve the load in order to resist it. Well if you have worn bushings that allow an 1" of deflection on each side before the bar goes metal-to-metal and finally recieves load, you're adding a "delay" to its initial action. Once all the flex has been used up in the bushings the bar will finally see load and resist further leaning of the body. You gotta remember that the bar is forcing those bushings to twist, because it's very rigid.. the thing does not want to bend! Were this a more flexible bar, the bushings might be adequate when new.

Poly bushings apply load to the sway bar much quicker. This means a smaller sway bar gets a "boost" in initial effectiveness, which is very percievable as the driver. This makes the car effectively sway less, as the initial lean required to twist the hell out of the worn bushings is taken out of the equation.

The racecar extreme to this is spherical bearing end links, which are a solid connection. The sway bar will start recieving twisting force at the first minute increment of lean that the chassis sees.

Notice I said worn bushings? OEM is very comprehensive, and the whole suspension is a system. The stock bushings are most probably specified stiff enough to tranfer load to the stock bar in a desirable manner. Poly bushings on a stock bar might bring a bit more "crispness" to the car's feel, but it won't do miracles to the leaning, against good OEM bushings. If the bushings are shot, then it's obviously another story.

Just like a stiff spring destroys a soft strut that wasn't designed to control it, a stiff sway bar will destroy soft bushings that weren't designed for it. And as proven by the very capable Aussie bar, it also finds other weak points!

Remeber the chassis attachments are there to "force" the bar into twisting, otherwise it just wants to lean. Well the Aussie bar is stiff enough that once it maxes out the flex from whatever bushings it has, it still does not want to twist, and the stock mounts are not strong enough to coax it... we all know the result.

Solution: upgrade the whole system. Larger bar, better bushings, better supports, better hardware. Strive for the comprehensive end-to-end solution, eliminate the weak points.

..and as usual, it all depends what you want out of your car. Open cockpit racecars don't use sway bars, but they have NO regard to ride quality. I didn't use a front bar on my own setup.. but there was nothing you could do to make the car ride "well" ... it was always controlled, and very stiff. No problems with lean.

Trivia: Why not take a stock suspension and install montrous 3" sway bars on it? The car would corner flat, AND could still have a soft and comfy suspension!! Is this a good idea, and why?

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Nice read Pascal

Originally posted by Pascal:
Trivia: Why not take a stock suspension and install montrous 3" sway bars on it? The car would corner flat, AND could still have a soft and comfy suspension!! Is this a good idea, and why?




The car may corner well, and its suspension would be soft and comfy. However, when one tire hit a pothole or a bump, the sway bar would transfer the movement to the other side making it make the same reactions. Could make for an intresting ride.

Think of the sway bar mounts that you would need!


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The 3" bar would effectively nulify your independent suspension and make it similar to a solid rear axle. The stiffness would be so high that all the weight would be supported by the other three tires when one encountered a hole. When a bump was encountered it would raise the other wheel off the ground. End result over rough road would be less tire touching the ground.

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Ok, I was thinking of doing some stuff to my SE...and here's what I thought might work...tell me what you think:

1.) spherical bearing end links from Perf Ford
2.) keeping the stock bar
3.) ProThane bushings for the bar attachment, and control arm attachments to the hub...and trailing arm attachment.
4.) Can't seem to find where to get the Prothane, which I understand are good are eliminating squeak, sqeak, squeak, so might get either Energy or Bat...which seem more available.

Why keep the stock bar? It seemed pretty good when I first got the car, through about 40,000 miles. I think if I did the tighten up on everything else, it would be fine...I drive basically back & forth from home to work ... rush hours...so all out suspension would be ... silly. This would be a cheap (about $120) thrill I figure...

bye-the-way...waiting 4 weeks for local dealer to get in a set of Bridgestone Potenza 950's...something about that longshormens strike on the west coast still has things running behind.


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