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#467966 10/28/02 04:15 AM
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Symptoms:perfomance deteriorated. WILL NOT REDLINE. If engine is cold it has trouble going over 4000 RPMS.
What to do?:I called my local ford dealerships, and told them what was up and they said timing belt is probably needing to be changed. my car has 75000 miles on it so yeah maybe they are right. But I was looking at my Haynes manual and it says that ignition timing is under control of the PCM-and is not adjustable. So would this not make anything FORD says about the timing belt causing the symptons incorrect?? I bought a timing light but the haynes manual says its useless because timing may vary constantly at idle speed. What to do?????!

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Don't confuse cam timing with ignition timing.

The timing belt controls cam timing. The ignition timing on the Zetec (Duratec too) is not adjustable.

Although a jumped timing belt can make the engine run poorly, I would look a lot of other places first. Timing belts don't usually jump, they usually break so that the engine quites running. At 75,000 miles it would be a good idea to replace the timing belt as preventative maintenance, but don't jump into it as the cure to your drivability problem. Anticipate the posibility of replacing the water pump at the same time.

To really pin this down, you need a fuel pressure gauge and an OBD II scanner so that you can see what is truly going on.

Some of the posibilities are:
Jumped timing belt
Plugged exhaust
Fuel starvation (plugged fuel filter, weak fuel pump)
Clogged injectors
Lack of ignition timing advance due to one of many sensors acting up or the PCM acting up. The sensors would usually set a CEL.
Badly worn spark plugs. (with this you should feel an actual miss though, at least under load)
Severly clogged air filter

Unfortunately, there are too many posibilities to pin it down without testing. It would not hurt to catch up on maintenance before you take it to a shop. You might get lucky and solve the problem.

What I would do at home myself before taking it to a shop if I had the tools and the skill would be to replace the fuel filter, replace the air filter, replace the air filter, clean the throttle body, add a can of injector cleaner to the tank (I prefer Techron or Red Line), and check the timing belt to see if it has jumped. If it has jumped, replace it.

Good luck with it.




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Originally posted by 96mystiquezetec:
Symptoms:perfomance deteriorated. WILL NOT REDLINE. If engine is cold it has trouble going over 4000 RPMS.
What to do?:I called my local ford dealerships, and told them what was up and they said timing belt is probably needing to be changed. my car has 75000 miles on it so yeah maybe they are right. But I was looking at my Haynes manual and it says that ignition timing is under control of the PCM-and is not adjustable. So would this not make anything FORD says about the timing belt causing the symptons incorrect?? I bought a timing light but the haynes manual says its useless because timing may vary constantly at idle speed. What to do?????!


SMILE LITTLE FISHIE I just fixed what you went thru. I made a post of it....think I called it "the car is back" in the general forum....anyway those are the same symptoms I was having. At that mileage, probably wouldn't hurt to have the belt replaced as a preventative. Mine did jump a tooth on the exhaust cam so that was no good, I also had a seized idler pulley in there BUT when all was said and done and they replaced the belt, it DID NOT fix the problem. Replacing the MAF sensor did fix it and brought back A LOT of power. So, all you may want to do is replace that first. It was about 90 bucks at AutoZone with a $60 dollar core so do like I did and bring your tools to replace it in the parking lot right there. But again, having 75k on the car, it probably would not be a bad idea to do both!

Any further questions? Here is the email addy sosaudio1@mchsi.com

Good Luck
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'04 Ecotec Cavi 140hp/150tq Fabbed intake. Header Coming, DRL's disabled, X-Drilled/slotted rotors coming....Man you really are fast. You were hauling a$$ when I passed you RB&LB causing problems in Huntsville

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