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Originally posted by dnewma04:
Originally posted by TheGrimace:
Anything where a transistor does not touch the signal. If you dont know what i am talking about you have no business listening to music.
I prefer to listen to my music in the most realistic way possible. I like tube equipment for the novelty, especially when you come acroww the rare one that sounds as good as a solidstate amp. If you like the warm tube amp sound, that can be accomplished with a solid state amp and an EQ. If you don't know what i am talking about, you have no business posting this nonsense.
What kind of drugs were you on when you heard a transistor sound as good as a vacuum tube. Why arent you selling these drugs as "tube sound in a pill"? Granted the transistor is an awesome piece of technology(this message board wouldnt be here without them) and they have several advantages over tubes, but sound quality is NOT one of them.
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I had mb quart premium component 6.5 in my doors with eclipse 4 and tweets in the kicks in my old contour. That was the best sounding system I've had. I now have mb quart comp 6.5s and tweets in the kicks and it sounds great, but not as good as my old setup. The midbass from both setups is more than enough, but the eights would give you something extra: up front sub-bass. If you are willing to do it, I'd go for the eights give them 40hz and up. This would probably score you higher in the sq department at the competitions.
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Originally posted by TheGrimace:
Originally posted by dnewma04:
Originally posted by TheGrimace:
Anything where a transistor does not touch the signal. If you dont know what i am talking about you have no business listening to music.
I prefer to listen to my music in the most realistic way possible. I like tube equipment for the novelty, especially when you come acroww the rare one that sounds as good as a solidstate amp. If you like the warm tube amp sound, that can be accomplished with a solid state amp and an EQ. If you don't know what i am talking about, you have no business posting this nonsense.
What kind of drugs were you on when you heard a transistor sound as good as a vacuum tube. Why arent you selling these drugs as "tube sound in a pill"? Granted the transistor is an awesome piece of technology(this message board wouldnt be here without them) and they have several advantages over tubes, but sound quality is NOT one of them.
Amps are not designed to sound like anything, just reproduce the music, when a tube amp adds a "warm" sound, it colors it, and therefore loses it accuracy. Like I said, there are tube amps that sound as good as solidstate, there aren't any that exceed it. This argument is generally pointless, so I will leave it at that, but if you think that tubes have better SQ than solidstate, you are sadly mistaken. They may sound better to you, but in any sort of objective testing, they will fall short.
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Originally posted by Honkeytonk Monkey:
Yeah you'd butcher them but that's about it.. I would be left with a door frame with cheesecloth as the panel and a 8" speaker dangling from some rope 
But at least you'll have 8's running in your doors as you planned
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As was stated by Newman above, i agree. Tube amps are more of a personal preference toward sound. It makes it sound colored, and a little more "full" i guess you could put it. But as for reproducing sound as accurately as possible, it will be very difficult. IMHO
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Originally posted by dbzjr:
As was stated by Newman above, i agree. Tube amps are more of a personal preference toward sound. It makes it sound colored, and a little more "full" i guess you could put it. But as for reproducing sound as accurately as possible, it will be very difficult. IMHO
Let me also point out that I have no problem with tubes used in the production/recording of music where the coloration becomes part of the music. I compare it to a speaker building newbie that was asking me questions about materials to use. I couldn't convince him to make the enclosure out of MDF. He wanted walnut because he knew of people making instruments out of them and it had "good acoustical properties". I told him that is exactly why I wouldn't use it. So he made his walnut speakers, and surprise, he wasn't happy with them. Production and reproduction are completely seperate items.
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Originally posted by TheGrimace:
Granted the transistor is an awesome piece of technology(this message board wouldnt be here without them) and they have several advantages over tubes, but sound quality is NOT one of them.
What's this? More misinformation?  I am so surprised... oh wait no I'm not. Can somebody get Grimace a muzzle? I liked him much better on the McDonnalds commercials when he just giggled alot  You're batting 1000 but it's for the wrong team man...
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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
could you not put part of the speaker into the door and build fiberglass kick panel type deal going out from door (use some foam to make a mold or something) so it sticks out some but is supported by door (probably have to add supports). you could paint the fiberglass and put a grill on the 8". it would look cool.
That was my plan B, but the Focus' door was designed so even a drunk blind idiot could figure out how to open and close it (giant door handle and pull bar) so the speaker got pushed right to the end of the door. I would hae to modify the door and dash to make a pod... I don't have 1/2 the manufacturing abilities needed for that kind of alteration  Not the best angle but you can see how little space the speaker got in the panel (The speaker itself is located about 1/2" from the glovebox) 
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ooh i see now, not sure quite how you want it and what kinda room u have, but some options could be to put it in the floor (i've seen it done on a z34) or in floorboard near door but as kick panel separate from the door. probably not enough room to do that in the focus though.
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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
ooh i see now, not sure quite how you want it and what kinda room u have, but some options could be to put it in the floor (i've seen it done on a z34) or in floorboard near door but as kick panel separate from the door. probably not enough room to do that in the focus though.
There is plenty of room in the kickpanel area, except that is where I put these...  So I done dug myself a hole... I can't move the neo8s either or else they get hard to aim correctly as they have a narrow fill... basically they have to be as far from me as possible.
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