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Originally posted by Davo7SVT:

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I just get upset when the stars and stripes appear when people feel sad and guilty, and feel a need to be seen with a flag. I think that's all Antonio meant.

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Amen to that. Exactly the way I had read Antonio's post.

On the other hand, I guess the 9/11 events are even more touching to some than others.. it gets very personal when family or friends are involved. Who knows. For sure perry's intervention was a little emotional. I hope both parties don't take it wrong!

..Just this supportive Canadian's opinion.

Originally posted by Pascal:

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Originally posted by Davo7SVT:

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I just get upset when the stars and stripes appear when people feel sad and guilty, and feel a need to be seen with a flag. I think that's all Antonio meant.

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Amen to that. Exactly the way I had read Antonio's post.

I guess the 9/11 events are even more touching to some than others.. it gets very personal when family or friends is involved. For sure perry's intervention was a little emotional. I hope both parties don't take it wrong!

..Just this supportive Canadian's opinion.

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Thank you pascal. I take his post way to the heart. BOTH my parents served a combined total of 35 years in the service(Army and Marines) and this tool has the nerve to question me. I pratically grew in the military and he has the nerve to tell me that I am not a patriot. hah!

-Antonio

Originally posted by Antonio Wright:

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I pratically grew in the military and he has the nerve to tell me that I am not a patriot. hah!

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I figured that you woulda read my post since you quoted the entire thing, but I guess not. Go back and read it again and point out where I questioned your patriotism.

I care not when someone displays a flag. If it's only one day a year to express their grief, anger, or other emotion, that's fine. If they want to fly it 365 days a year, that's fine too.

You, sir, are the one questioning other people's patriotism and pride.

I don't mind. All this has made me feel very good, and very lucky, and I'm very proud to live here. I have a big poster on my back window saying "We still remember" with the "ll" as the twin towers. My bedroom is all red, white, and blue, and has been ever since we built our house.

I hate this ... I missed everything thanks to homework. I actually wish 9/11/02 would happen tomorrow or Friday when I won't have so much. It doesn't even seem like the anniverary today since I haven't been able to observe it.

Here's an example of Antonio's point:

Of course, everybody is flying a flag today - it's a national day of remembrance and every channel on TV has been reminding people for weeks. And everyone at sporting events today will remove their caps and pay the proper respect to the national anthem and the flag.

Back up to August 2001. The Star Spangled Banner at a game was accompanied by many people leaving their hats on and chit chatting during the song. Just another part of the game, like the announcement of starting lineups. Nothing to see here; let's get to the game we paid for.

Fall 2001 (post Sept 11) - nothing but solemnity (and some tears) during the national anthem (or God Bless America) at the start of the game. I'll admit that I cried during the anthem at the first sporting event I attended (in November).

I went to two baseball games this summer (Baltimore and Philly). What did I see? The same lack of respect that was the norm before Sept 11, 2001. Not to the same degree as before, but significantly worse than just following the attacks last fall. And this is from people who can't be more than 4 or 5 degrees of seperation from somebody that died in the WTC, the Pentagon, or United 93.

It seems to me that everybody is a patriot when it is convienient or expected. People with true pride in our country behave the same way all of the time - August 2001, September 2001, June 2002, or 9/11/02.

All I can say is:

If you are willing to SAY that you are willing to die..
Be willing to show that you are ready to go.
Ray Haralson


Wanna stop this from happening, again? Enlist, sign up, and help. Reserves for those that don't wanna go as long. Active duty for those that want it full time.. SOMETHING... HELP... I love the patriotism, but it's hard to keep bringing you all the freedom to wave those flags, if we gotta do it ourselves. You wanna wave 'em? Wave em.. only a day? fine, wave 'em still... just.. If you can help.. do so. If not, I will do it for you; That is my job..



Ray

Originally posted by Antonio Wright:

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Don't you EVER question me about not being american.

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Seems you're living a double-standard to me.

Why are you guys fighting over this. Look lets just come togther, I agree how the interest in patriotism has faded very quickly, but for alot of people who saw the events on TV, its not real to them, like a movie or something. Even I had to go to NYC and see ground zero for myself 3 days after it happened. So I honestly think if the news stops talking about it most people wont even care anymore, and thats sad. I for one will never forget and I dont need TV to tell me that.

Originally posted by PA 3L SVT:

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Here's an example of Antonio's point:

Of course, everybody is flying a flag today - it's a national day of remembrance and every channel on TV has been reminding people for weeks. And everyone at sporting events today will remove their caps and pay the proper respect to the national anthem and the flag.

Back up to August 2001. The Star Spangled Banner at a game was accompanied by many people leaving their hats on and chit chatting during the song. Just another part of the game, like the announcement of starting lineups. Nothing to see here; let's get to the game we paid for.

Fall 2001 (post Sept 11) - nothing but solemnity (and some tears) during the national anthem (or God Bless America) at the start of the game. I'll admit that I cried during the anthem at the first sporting event I attended (in November).

I went to two baseball games this summer (Baltimore and Philly). What did I see? The same lack of respect that was the norm before Sept 11, 2001. Not to the same degree as before, but significantly worse than just following the attacks last fall. And this is from people who can't be more than 4 or 5 degrees of seperation from somebody that died in the WTC, the Pentagon, or United 93.

It seems to me that everybody is a patriot when it is convienient or expected. People with true pride in our country behave the same way all of the time - August 2001, September 2001, June 2002, or 9/11/02.

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I agree whole heartedly here. Most people have just gone back to normal. It's great on one hand to be able to say that we are so great a country, we can keep moving without skipping a beat but it does seem a bit wrong if you ask me. But then again, if you could talk to the dead, I don't think any dead person would want you to mourn them, they would all probably tell you to be strong and go on with your life because eventually you will have to, so why not make it today. Sept 11th 2001 was a great thing to happen to us. America needed to have it's eyes opened to the entire globe and stop living just in our little world. It is an absolute tragedy for all of those families to suffer through but on the grand scheme of things they, killed 4000 out of a country of 275,000,000 and all it did was make us stronger. That is a small price to pay