The short version....I started school again in 00' for my MFA. Just now I was in a position to by 17's for my car. They were on three days and I took them to get re balanced at Discount Tire. They forced the lug socket onto the lug instead of using a longer socket or telling me it does not fit. The new rims were on my car 3 days and they already have paint knocked off the finish and dents on most of the lug holes and edges. They said I could have them shipped out and resurfaced so I can drive around on my old bald tires for two weeks. Should I have them order me new rims and eat the old ones? Thats were I am headed to!