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Again I state, I am not trying to disprove the existence of God.
I am not trying to convert anyone from religion.
if you find the answers/guidance you need in life from religion, than more power to you.
Religion is personal.
I only ask that you not go around spouting your religion as fact.

Funny that, but God can't exist. :rolleyes:

There's plenty of evidence, but you'll simply pick and choose what you want to believe so giving you any evidence would be a waste of time.

And people think religious people are the only ones with closed minds. :rolleyes:

How is it I have a closed mind?

Please enlighten me, show me some evidence that God exists.
And for which God does this proof apply to?
Science doesn't need to show proof of how the univers started, only show proof contrary to how the bible (or any religious book) says that it did.

Just to keep this going - this is a short blurb on the little girl this 53 yr old pervert raped;)
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AISHA BINT ABU BAKR
daughter of Abu Bakr and third wife of Muhammad. According to the ahadith in Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, and numerous other reports, she married Muhammad at the age of 6 when Muhammad was 53 and they consummated their marriage at the age of 9.

Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death). (Sahih Bukhari 7.88)
Narrated 'Aisha:
I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for 'Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13) (Sahih Bukhari 8.151)
Narrated 'Aisha:
Allah's Apostle said to me, "You were shown to me twice (in my dream) before I married you. I saw an angel carrying you in a silken piece of cloth, and I said to him, 'Uncover (her),' and behold, it was you. I said (to myself), 'If this is from Allah, then it must happen.' Then you were shown to me, the angel carrying you in a silken piece of cloth, and I said (to him), 'Uncover (her), and behold, it was you. I said (to myself), 'If this is from Allah, then it must happen.' " (Sahih Bukhari 9.140)
Some Muslims claimed that Muhammad did not initiate the marriage with Aisha, but that Abu Bakr, after Aisha was spunned by a prospector and was not able to find another man to marry her, approached Muhammad to marry here. However, the following hadith clearly showed that it was Muhammad who was the initiator and Abu Bakr was even shocked at that suggestion.
Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I am your brother." The Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry." (Sahih Bukhari 7.18)
Narrated Hisham's father:
Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old. (Sahih Bukhari 5.236. see also Sahih Bukhari 7.64, Sahih Bukhari 7.65)
Aisha was surprised at the (consummation) of marriage"
Narrated Aisha:
When the Prophet married me, my mother came to me and made me enter the house (of the Prophet) and nothing surprised me but the coming of Allah's Apostle to me in the forenoon. (Sahih Bukhari 7.90)
Narrated Aisha:
The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. (Sahih Bukhari 5.234)

Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin:
The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) married me when I was seven or six. When we came to Medina, some women came. according to Bishr's version: Umm Ruman came to me when I was swinging. They took me, made me prepared and decorated me. I was then brought to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him), and he took up cohabitation with me when I was nine. She halted me at the door, and I burst into laughter. (Sunan Abu Da'ud 41.4915, Sunan Abu Da'ud 41.4916, Sunan Abu Da'ud 41.4917)
Aisha related many hadiths which became the basis of many portions of the Shar'ia. She was given the title Mother of the Believers (Ummul Mu'minin).

Let me get some more popcorn;)

I dont think I would be erroneous in stating that probably every religion on earth have fought at some point in time to death in the name of the religion. Crusades, Israel, India/Kashmir/Afgahnistan/, Laos, Thailand, I mean,,,all over the planet people are being killed due to religious issues.

The issue is not the religion usually, but the manipulation of the blind faith followers who are easily herded. People loose their more compassionate and logical self when grouped in big numbers and then riled up by their leaders...and in the end, its all about a power play by the people on top, and not about us guys/gals trying to live day by day driving our beloved Contours...

There lies the problem: What I believe is evidence of God may not be accepted by you. For example: the complexity of the human body, the harmony of the earth's ecosystem, the complexity of the universe, miracles performed by Jesus Christ - these points, I believe, are evidence of God. However, a non-believer would say that these points are not evidence of God, but, they were caused by the Big Bang, pure chance, Evolution, or whatever.

How can science prove how something DIDN'T happen if it can't prove how it did happen?

And please, let's not get into a debate on Evolution/Big Bang. This has already been done, and it lasted 15+ pages with no resolution.

My brother rolled down an embankment on a hiking trip. He rolled about two hundred feet on a rocky slope, and all he had injured was a broken jaw. Even the doctor at the hospital said that God must looking out for him because so many people who have that same fall end up in the morgue. That's all the evidence I'll ever need.

I see the Muslims are getting in on the Catholic Priest's act.
I just can't let it go, it happens so often by so many.

It's wrong for adults, of any age/religion/sex/or whatever, to be intimently involved with children.
I hope they stick R. Kelly in jail and somebody makes him a little girl. (Of course I wish that only if he is in fact guilty.)

All religions have there down/dark sides.
None are perfect.
Except maybe the Omish, they've never killed anybody.

Anyway to each their own, my words of advice are; "Don't follow blindly, ask questions the whole way."

Well, that isnt very objective of an argument...what about the ones who fell and ended in the morgue? They cant voice their opinions about God. But i would say why didnt God look after them? I assume they were good people...It is in the realm of possibilities to survive serious accidents, it happens quite often. Its just one of those things,,,in direct opposition to the freak accidents like pianos falling on you from above..

I'll start with agreeing with you about 2 things.
1) Big Bang theory sucks, I don't believe it.
2) People perception of evidence and whether to accept it on not is the barrier between the two sides.

My take,
Jesus did exist, but did not perform the miracles that are in the bible. Because there are no proof that they actually happened.
I believe the complexity of the human body is due to the fact that nature can adapt.
Balance of the eco-sytem, again nature. The planet couldn't have made it this long unless it adapted into a nice balance.
Speaking of nature, the bible makes no mention of dinosaurs, yet they existed. How could God have over looked telling his prophets of these large beast.
If the first two people were Adam & Eve (white people) then how did we get all the diffent ethnic groups around the world.
Stupid questions I know, but one's the bible cannot answer.