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o2 sensor of maf? obdII says its o2 sensor, my dealer says maf.


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o2 sensor of
(sic) maf? obdII says its o2 sensor, my dealer says maf.
  Strictly speaking, what it means is this:  The PCM sees, from the O2 sensor reading, that the engine is running too lean, so it increases the fuel in the mixture.  It sees that the engine is still too lean, so it increases the fuel some more.  Eventually, it gets to the point where it's dumping as much fuel into the engine as it's allowed, and the O2 sensor says it's still too lean.  Obviously, at this point, something is wrong, so it gives you the P0171 code.

  I've been getting this, occasionally, on my own car.  In my case, the problem is a connector, just under the front of the car.  This connector goes flaky from time to time, blocking the signal from the O2 sensor.  I get P0171 when this happens, along with a few other codes relating to the sensor itself.  I'm sure that if I took this car to a mechanic, and let him diagnose it, without telling him any of my own experiences, he'd diagnose it as a bad O2 sensor, and tell me I need a new one.

  My advice:  Check the connectors to your O2 sensors, and maybe also to your MAF.  If you've got access to a sufficiently-sophistcated OBD?II device [such as this one] set it up to display, in realtime, a graph of your O2 sensor and MAF activity.  When my O2 sensor connector craps out, the #1 sensor usually goes mostly flatline.

  For more information, see my posting over here.


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Just to give a little FYI on the 1996-1998 Zetec engines there are 3 seprate TSB (Technical Service Bullitens) for code P0171, P0172, rough idling. They basically say that the MAF is the culprit.

Here is one of them:

FORD: 1996-98 CONTOUR
LINCOLN-MERCURY: 1996-98 MYSTIQUE

ISSUE:
The Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL) may be illuminated with Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTCs) P0171 and P0172 stored in memory. This may be due to silicon contamination of the Mass Air Flow (MAF) sensor.

ACTION:
Replace the MAF sensor with a revised MAF sensor. Refer to the following Service Procedure for details.

SERVICE PROCEDURE
Use New Generation Star (NGS) Tester or Service Bay Diagnostic System (SBDS) to determine DTC stored in memory.
If you have any of the following Heated Exhaust Gas Oxygen (HEGO) DTCs: P0131, P0132, P0133 and P0135, proceed to Powertrain Control/Emissions Diagnosis (PC/ED) Service Manual Pinpoint Test H to diagnose those codes. If DTCs P0171 and P0172 are present without any HEGO codes, DO NOT CHANGE THE HEGO SENSORS, but proceed as follows:
Check the air induction system for air leaks or blockages according to PC/ED Service Manual Pinpoint Test HU.
At idle, vehicle in NEUTRAL under normal operating temperature and with all accessories OFF, check the following:
1) Check the barometric reading which should be within ±8 Hz of the normal reading for your altitude. Determine the normal barometric reading for your altitude by referring to the SBDS cart or by measuring, with an NGS, several good vehicles from your dealership which have been driven that day.
2) Check the MAF voltage which should be no greater than 0.70 volts.
3) Check the long term fuel trim; the NGS Parameter Identification Display (PID) "LONGTI" should not exceed negative 12% (i.e. -13% is out of limit).
If two (2) or more of the above IDLE CHECKS are NOT within range, replace the MAF Sensor (F5RZ-12B579-B). If not, proceed to PC/ED Service Manual Pinpoint Test H for P0171 and P0172 codes.
NOTE: THE BAROMETRIC VALUE DISPLAYED ON NGS/SBDS IS INFERRED BY THE POWERTRAIN CONTROL MODULE (PCM). THE PCM CONSIDERS MANY ELECTRONIC ENGINE CONTROL (EEC) INPUT SIGNALS INCLUDING RPM, MAF AND THROTTLE POSITION TO INFER LOCAL BAROMETRIC PRESSURE. THEREFORE, AFTER A MAF IS REPLACED, THE INFERRED BAROMETRIC READING WILL NOT CHANGE UNTIL THE VEHICLE IS DRIVEN LONG ENOUGH TO ALLOW ADAPTIVE STRATEGY TO RELEARN.

PART NUMBER PART NAME
F5RZ-12B579-B Mass Air Flow (MAF) Sensor

OTHER APPLICABLE ARTICLES:
NONE

WARRANTY STATUS:
Eligible Under The Provisions Of Bumper To Bumper Warranty Coverage And Emissions Warranty Coverage

OPERATION DESCRIPTION TIME
981908A Diagnose And Replace Mass Air Flow (MAF) Sensor 0.5 Hr.

DEALER CODING
BASIC PART NO. CONDITION CODE
12B579 49

OASIS CODES:
206000, 698298

I'm not saying yours is it could also be a Vaccum leak or bad O2 Sensor but this is a place to start.


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o2 sensor of maf? obdII says its o2 sensor, my dealer says maf.
That's the exact same code I recently had, which was fixed by cleaning the MAF.


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thx for all your help guys. i plan on checking the cables to my o2 sensors and cleaning my maf before i shell out $130 for two o2 sensors. gotta love the comaradery on this site. thx wink


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