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Traction is your friend....look at these cars. I would rather have an AWD that gets good traction off the line and is marginally slower at the highers speeds then a front or rear wheel drive car that sucks off the like.
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Meh, it's a cock tease..... 
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Originally posted by elraido:
Traction is your friend....look at these cars. I would rather have an AWD that gets good traction off the line and is marginally slower at the highers speeds then a front or rear wheel drive car that sucks off the like.
The engine is over the rear and with wide sticky tires, it'll get plenty good enuff traction. AWD would slow it down more than "marginally" over the length of a road course.
But I guess you better tell the enzo, C6R, GTSR, GTOR, GT3 Cup Car, F1, NASCAR, etc. designers that they're doing it all wrong.
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seen that at autorama last night, pretty wild in person
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hell either way you look at it it would be fun to drive
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Originally posted by SVTfrog:
Originally posted by elraido:
Traction is your friend....look at these cars. I would rather have an AWD that gets good traction off the line and is marginally slower at the highers speeds then a front or rear wheel drive car that sucks off the like.
The engine is over the rear and with wide sticky tires, it'll get plenty good enuff traction. AWD would slow it down more than "marginally" over the length of a road course.
But I guess you better tell the enzo, C6R, GTSR, GTOR, GT3 Cup Car, F1, NASCAR, etc. designers that they're doing it all wrong.
you know what, for some reason I was thinking of an autoX course. Why, I have no freakin' idea. Road courses have just a few areas where straight stetches are just a little longer.  Now if thse cars were rally racing it would be a different story. Man, I love to watch rally racing.
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Originally posted by SVTfrog:
Originally posted by elraido:
Traction is your friend....look at these cars. I would rather have an AWD that gets good traction off the line and is marginally slower at the highers speeds then a front or rear wheel drive car that sucks off the like.
The engine is over the rear and with wide sticky tires, it'll get plenty good enuff traction. AWD would slow it down more than "marginally" over the length of a road course.
But I guess you better tell the enzo, C6R, GTSR, GTOR, GT3 Cup Car, F1, NASCAR, etc. designers that they're doing it all wrong.
Hey, don't for get those fools over at Audi!
That R8 sure was a slow car... 
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Originally posted by SVTfrog:
Originally posted by elraido:
Traction is your friend....look at these cars. I would rather have an AWD that gets good traction off the line and is marginally slower at the highers speeds then a front or rear wheel drive car that sucks off the like.
The engine is over the rear and with wide sticky tires, it'll get plenty good enuff traction. AWD would slow it down more than "marginally" over the length of a road course.
But I guess you better tell the enzo, C6R, GTSR, GTOR, GT3 Cup Car, F1, NASCAR, etc. designers that they're doing it all wrong.
First of all, C6R and NASCAR are FR, GT3 is RR.
And Yeah. I guess the Murcielago, Diablo VT, Skyline, Veyron, WRC everything, Suzuki Escudo, Porsche 959 designers had absolutely no idea whatsoever about what they were doing...  
There are merits to both drivetrains, but on a short, tight road course, an AWD system can be made to perform much better than usual using tricks to keep the engines from bogging down, as well as racing gearboxes/differentials to keep the power going to the ground without screwing with how well the car handles.
The later Skylines for instance have 4-wheel steering.
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Originally posted by TrolloMatic:
Originally posted by SVTfrog:
Originally posted by elraido:
Traction is your friend....look at these cars. I would rather have an AWD that gets good traction off the line and is marginally slower at the highers speeds then a front or rear wheel drive car that sucks off the like.
The engine is over the rear and with wide sticky tires, it'll get plenty good enuff traction. AWD would slow it down more than "marginally" over the length of a road course.
But I guess you better tell the enzo, C6R, GTSR, GTOR, GT3 Cup Car, F1, NASCAR, etc. designers that they're doing it all wrong.
First of all, C6R and NASCAR are FR, GT3 is RR.
And Yeah. I guess the Murcielago, Diablo VT, Skyline, Veyron, WRC everything, Suzuki Escudo, Porsche 959 designers had absolutely no idea whatsoever about what they were doing...
There are merits to both drivetrains, but on a short, tight road course, an AWD system can be made to perform much better than usual using tricks to keep the engines from bogging down, as well as racing gearboxes/differentials to keep the power going to the ground without screwing with how well the car handles.
The later Skylines for instance have 4-wheel steering.
Yes some of the cars I listed are FR and some RR, but all are rwd, which was my point.
Dude, I never said AWD doesn't have its place. I said for the car in THIS thread, it would hurt it for its designed purpose.
What do those cars you listed have in common with this car? None are used in MAJOR road course races today. Heck you even listed some that drive on gravel and dirt. 
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