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Originally posted by 1314:
8x3=24.
1314 = owned by ZZD! LMAO! 
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A lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine!
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First off let me state that I am a Union worker (US Steel)
I think the 1 million dollor fine is Illegal if you ask me, the NY law states that it is Illegal for government/city workers to strike IF, and a BIG IF, it is a public saftey issue. Public transportation isn't a saftey concern IMO, people may depend on it but its not a life or death issue (where as if police/fire/ambulance workers striked it would be).
Second, what they are asking for is rediculous 8 percent a year for 3 years + new employee's still being able to retire @ 55 Years of age with full benifits is bull. And I honestly think the 3%-4%-3.5% and full retirement at 62 years old is a "good deal" IMO. the Ful retirement at 55 was from years back when people only averaged 65 years of age, with the average age of 77 now there is no reason NOT to bump the requirement to 62 years, that still gives them a good 15 years of retirement on average.
Summery
1 million a day fine is BULLCRAP
Workers turning down a FAIR DEAL is BULLCRAP
You may not like Unions BUT they are still needed to provide some protection to workers, but there are alot of bad ones out there.
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Originally posted by Stazi:
Originally posted by *Poofter*:
Originally posted by Fmr12B:
I despise Union's
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 = unions (the reason why this countires Auto Industry is going to hell in a handbasket)
Um, NO......
The US automakers were making lots of money when they agreed to pay for all the benifits they PROMISED to the employee/retiree personel and THEY WERE STUPID for doing so, NOT THE UNIONS. They never thought that Japanise cars would hit it big but they have, they never thought AMERICAN's would ever Buy FORIEGN car like they do now. They just didn't care and now they are paying for it BIG TIME.
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RancherLee I think you're looking at this from only the worker's side and need to step back and find the big picture. Quote:
The US automakers were making lots of money when they agreed to pay for all the benifits they PROMISED to the employee/retiree personel and THEY WERE STUPID for doing so, NOT THE UNIONS.
So what? If the automakers were indeed "stupid" then the Unions need to realize that for their own long-term survival they need a labor contract that keeps the company profitable. The problem with your viewpoint is the assumption that the jobs are guaranteed. It is a very real possibility that GM and/or Ford will file for bankruptcy, where does that leave the union, it's workers, and that sweet labor contract?
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They never thought that Japanise cars would hit it big but they have, they never thought AMERICAN's would ever Buy FORIEGN car like they do now.
Maybe if such huge pieces of ish didn't roll off US assembly lines for so many years this wouldn't be a problem!
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In retrospect, it was all downhill from here. RIP, CEG.
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Originally posted by bigMoneyRacing:
RancherLee I think you're looking at this from only the worker's side and need to step back and find the big picture.
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The US automakers were making lots of money when they agreed to pay for all the benifits they PROMISED to the employee/retiree personel and THEY WERE STUPID for doing so, NOT THE UNIONS.
So what? If the automakers were indeed "stupid" then the Unions need to realize that for their own long-term survival they need a labor contract that keeps the company profitable. The problem with your viewpoint is the assumption that the jobs are guaranteed. It is a very real possibility that GM and/or Ford will file for bankruptcy, where does that leave the union, it's workers, and that sweet labor contract?
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They never thought that Japanise cars would hit it big but they have, they never thought AMERICAN's would ever Buy FORIEGN car like they do now.
Maybe if such huge pieces of ish didn't roll off US assembly lines for so many years this wouldn't be a problem!
Agreed - the current BASE labor rate for an UNSKILLED US Auto worker is $27/hr  - that's pretty damn good, in fact as good if not better than a degree'd engineer in the same damn industry. Yet, this rate is nowhere near close enough to the foreign labor rates to justify making cars in the US and remaining profitable for much longer. True the accountants screwed up and did ?not prepare themselves for the Baby-Boomers in retirement. So what are you gonna do? Drive yourself to extinction to prove a point?? That's downright STUPID!
Fine if the unions are going to be stubborn and refuse to take a hit - then the Big 3 will be forced to declare bankruptcy close down plants and fire workers. Then what will you do? I understnad that getting a wage cut of 50% is hefty to say the least - but it's better than a 100% wage cut, and frankly with the amount of OT that unions workers get - most of them live the life of business execs....I see it all around me everyday.
Start looking for a job buddy cos is going to happen - mark my words! Delphi was the first of the big Auto-based companies to crash - GM is right on the edge of doing so themselves.
2000 SVT Turbo 295hp/269ftlb@12psi
#1 for Bendix Brakes Kits!
Knuckles rebuilt w/new bearings $55
AUSSIE ENDLINKS $70
Gutted pre-cats $80/set
A lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine!
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Originally posted by RancherLee:
Originally posted by Stazi:
Originally posted by *Poofter*:
Originally posted by Fmr12B:
I despise Union's
x2
^2
= unions (the reason why this countires Auto Industry is going to hell in a handbasket)
Um, NO......
The US automakers were making lots of money when they agreed to pay for all the benifits they PROMISED to the employee/retiree personel and THEY WERE STUPID for doing so, NOT THE UNIONS. They never thought that Japanise cars would hit it big but they have, they never thought AMERICAN's would ever Buy FORIEGN car like they do now. They just didn't care and now they are paying for it BIG TIME.
You're right, the companies did agree to it and therefore the Unions are not at fault for the situation existing in the first place. Every one of us here would try to get our employers to pay us three times what we really should be making if we thought we could get away with it.
However, the Unions can fix the problem. And they don't. Therefore they play a significant role in why the US auto industry continues to be in the shambles that it is in.
Just because you didn't cause the problem, doesn't mean you can just sit there and watch it play out when you can do something to fix it. It's easy to sit there and shrug your shoulders and go "Eh," when the shareholders are paying for it. But eventually they won't, and the employees are the next in line to get bent over.
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