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Originally posted by Y2KSVT:
I disagree. Who is making a 3.5L engine that totally eclipses the Duratec 3.5L in HP & TQ? And we're talking about midsize sedans here, so I'd rather not here the likes of 350Z's.
G35 - 298HP
Maxima - 270HP
Altima - 265HP
A Honda Minivan - 247HP  
A freakin' Saturn - 240HP 
The 250HP / 240TQ rating Ford is estimating for it's "future" release is already noticeably behind the "current" bell curve.
Then compare the build quality "around" those engines compared to a Ford. 'nuff said.
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BMW 3.0 255 hp
BMW 3.2 333 hp
Hyundai 3.3 235 hp
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Demon,
I'm not familiar with all the vehicles listed, but which of the vehicles on your list run (fine) with 87 octane like I think the base Duratec 35 will? There is a Ford "insider" on autoweek.com that says a ST version of the Fusion will be coming along with the Duratec 3.5 putting out at least 270hp. I assume alot of it will come from tuning for premium.
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Originally posted by DemonSVT:
G35 - 298HP
Maxima - 270HP
Altima - 265HP
A Honda Minivan - 247HP
A freakin' Saturn - 240HP
G35 - $31,050 - $33,100
Maxima - $27,750 - $30,000
Altima - $24,105 - $27,905
Honda Minivan - Doesn't apply, it's a minivan!
Saturn - Ion Redline??? That's not a sedan either!
Originally posted by stilov:
BMW 3.0 255 hp
BMW 3.2 333 hp
Hyundai 3.3 235 hp
BMW 3.0 - $43,195 - $59,095
BMW 3.2 - Couldn't find it, can imagine it's only more expensive than the 3.0
Hyundai - $17,895 - $22,895
Fusion - Currently $17,145 - $22,980
Out of the 5 above cars that I could find prices for, and that actually qualify to be in the same category as the Fusion, I averaged the BASE PRICE of all of them. Average base price is $28,799. The average HP between those 5 same vehicles is 264.6HP! Is that extra 16.4HP worth the extra ~$6-11k extra you'll spend for it?
All $$$$ figures come from edmonds.com.
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Personally I'd like to see one off a dyno and examine the curve, seeing as it's a brand new engine design.
By the way ... don't forget to consider that this is pre-release info. No doubt in a couple of years there will be a 2nd generation with a small boost to the power. Reliability must surely becoming before eeking more power out of the motor at the moment, wouldn't surprise me if the 250 is a very conservative figure for what's possible, just so they can let it on the road for three years 'and see what happens'.
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The BMW 3.2 I6 is in the '02, M3, my brother owns one it is a great engine in a very expensive car.
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ya I was just throwing stuff out there...they are all more expensive.
look at it like this though
standard 2.5 was 170
standard 3.0 was 200
standard 3.5 is 250
seems about right???
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Originally posted by ghodge:
Demon,
I'm not familiar with all the vehicles listed, but which of the vehicles on your list run (fine) with 87 octane like I think the base Duratec 35 will? There is a Ford "insider" on autoweek.com that says a ST version of the Fusion will be coming along with the Duratec 3.5 putting out at least 270hp. I assume alot of it will come from tuning for premium.
Yeah, but it's behind a 6 speed ATX designed by the same group no doubt that designed the CD4E, so what's your point? If the ST doesn't come with a rowable tranny option, I think I will have to give up on Ford.
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I drove an '02 M3 with the SMG transmission with the paddles. You can even put it in neutral! I drove it for about a month and liked how it shifted in auto mode, so I didn't use the paddles much, except to "exhibit." If Ford designed a similar tranny, I'd be happy with it.
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Originally posted by muntus:
Ford designed a similar tranny, I'd be happy with it.
Care to revisit this ... if it was built by Ford, it would probably break at least once a year and cost roughly $2,500 each time to fix it 
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