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Yes. Usually they have had very hard times or some psychological disturbance, but there is always a cause.
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Originally posted by Mushu:
I voted against it.
...was that before you voted for it?
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Originally posted by TexasRealtor:
I think alot of people are not seeing the forest because of all the trees. The real issue is the use of the term "marriage." The gay lobbyists have insisted on the use of the term "gay marriage" over "gay union" because they wanted to inflame the ultra conservatives and keep the issue in the media. The term marriage historically and religiously (except for the Mormons for a while) has meant the legal union between one man and one woman. Personally, I chose not to even vote because I don't really give a crap one way or the other. Just my .02
I absolutely disagree with this. I have found it to be the polar opposite. They are seeking equal treatment under a govt sanctioned union. We have a group of conservatives trying to protect the history and sanctity of a word while the other side is trying to help a minority. I used to be against gay marriages, but only because I am conservative. When asked why, I was embarrassed that all I could come up with was "The majority rules", "The bible says its wrong!" and "Webster's defines marriage as between a man and a woman" when in reality I had nothing to lose and nothing to gain in the matter. The only group that has anything to gain or lose is the minority in this case. How would allowing gay marriage effect me? I'm not sure of the tax implications, but I suspect that a drastic minority couldn't cause too much of a shake up there. This is how I believe this issue differs from Abortion. The people against it are fighting for the rights of what they consider a defenseless child (I agree with them), whereas in this case, the people against gay marriage are defending the rights of a term.
My proposal would be to remove marriage from legal documents, replace it with civil union for all legal unions. The term marriage in the historical sense would remain a religious based ceremony which would, upon completion, result in a legal civil union. Just like those dirty gays when they are united legally.
And to people in general, please refrain from letting your IQ's sink to record lows by bringing up slippery slope scenarios. "Well, what if some geologist fell in love with a rock? that will have to be allowed, too". The best argument I have heard against the civil union idea is that it would somehow effect the sanctity of their marriage which I found to be an extraordinarily weak argument. In fact, I feel bad for anyone in a marriage with such a weak foundation, it will surely not last in today's society.
Who knows? Maybe the ultra-conserative's just aren't ready to make the commitment to the men in their lives and are using this as an excuse.
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Interesting. The gay people I know who had perfectly normal upbringings and experiences would be interested to hear that.
The science argument could go on forever, but I suggest that seeing what know about genetics/biology's effect on human behavior, simply saying "it hasn't been proven" is not proof that the theory is false. You seem to have come to the conclusion that since it hasn't yet been proven, it never will be.
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Originally posted by Auto-X Fil:
The conservative belief that I take stock in does not place homosexuals in a different class of people like is being implied. Homosexuality is an activity, not a genetic trait. I believe it to be wrong, and so don't participate. I also am not having sex with my fiance before we get married. Now, I have lots of single friends that sleep with other people, but does that stop me from hanging out with them? No, of course not. And by the same token, it's rediculous to ostracize homosexuals for not behaving as I feel they should, because they don't believe the same things I do. Their actions may disgust me, but they are not less of a human being for doing something I don't like.
Now, legally, the issue is a little different. I will vote down gay marriage rights because I feel it is wrong. But the reason for the law is not to keep people from sinning, since they don't see it that way. If they decide to believe as I do, then they will change how they act - not the other way around. The reason for the law is that homosexual unions are detrimental to our society.
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The lacivious and non-traditional aspects of a home with same-sex parents is not a stable place for a child to develop. Studies such as the one above routinely show this. I belive that it's because this is not as God intended, but no matter the reason, it's harmful to society. Homosexuals tend to experiment with drugs, have psychological disorders, and are much more likely to have been sexually abused as children. I see no evidence that it's genetic, and anything to stem the tide of acceptance and expose the truth is going to get my vote.
How does their percentage of drug use and psychological disorders compare to that of other minorities? And the results you mention seem to differ from what I have seen. Studies I have seen have shown gay unions to last longer than traditional male/female relationships. It could be just a protection mechanism, but I would think that would only go so far.
Also, are there studies that compare kids who were raised in single family homes versus homes with gay parents with a long term relationship?
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Being from Canada, where our government has passed legislation allowing same-sex marriages, I am of the mind that we should live and let live. Up here, the debate was partly about the rights and benefits of same-sex spouses, i.e. pension benefits and the like. It passed, despite heavy opposition from some churches and the Conservative Party, which currently is right wing (by Canadian standards) with religious leanings. They tried the "that will lead to legalized incest" BS, but failed.
The prevailing attitude would seem to be "hey, whatever you want, as long as you aren't hurting anybody."
Or, as one of our more popular Prime Ministers said, "The state has no business in the bedrooms of Canadians."
I agree with that point.
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IMHO what we are seeing here is the strength of the United States of America. Once upon a time, states rights meant something. Jefferson often talked about the "chains of the constitution" in reference to keeping the reign and reach of the federal gov't under strict control. He'd be rolling over in his grave if he saw the size of our increasingly federalized gov't these days, and it's far reaching and constant infringement on individual rights and liberties, as well as it's infringement on states rights. I'm glad to see individual states legislating what they believe in. I'm not a fan of federalizing the definition of marriage. If a particular state wants to legalize gay marriage, such as Massachusetts or Vermont, then so be it, let them. If a particular state wants to ban gay marriage, like Texas or the 19 others that have, then so be it, let them. If you do not agree, live in a state that matches up well with your personal beliefs.
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my mom wuz labian and i am nomral. that studey is crap.
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