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Originally posted by Honkeytonk Monkey:
Yeah it's all the same thing really give or take, go with whatever installs easily and is cheap.
Uhhhh, no. Sorry.
Please read this then make your decision:
http://www.sounddeadenershowdown.com/
Please do not buy Brown Bead, you will regret it.
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I know at least 7-8 people with brownbread with no regrets. HTM is right in that they all perform the same basic operation and all can be utilized effectively.
"If you are flammable and have legs, you are never blocking a fire exit"
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Originally posted by dnewma04:
I know at least 7-8 people with brownbread with no regrets. HTM is right in that they all perform the same basic operation and all can be utilized effectively.
I'm sorry man but that isn't completely true. They are NOT all the same.
Fact is this, asphalt does melt at temperatures which the insides of your doors WILL see if you live in a warm climate. Hell, you don't even have to live in a warm climate. eDead v1 melted to the inside of my brothers door in ONE hot day in Seattle. It was maybe 92 degrees outside. Ruined his door panels and part of the carpet. Car STILL smells like asphalt.
But whatever, if you think using roofing materials (asphalt) is a suitable substitute for properly engineered acoustical damnening material, be my guest. Your $1-200 savings could possibly turn into $500 out the door when you have to replace something ruined by brownbead.
Do yourself a favor and go with a Butyl based product. There are some good ones out there for not much more $$ than brownbead. 
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Originally posted by BradJ:
Originally posted by dnewma04:
I know at least 7-8 people with brownbread with no regrets. HTM is right in that they all perform the same basic operation and all can be utilized effectively.
I'm sorry man but that isn't completely true.
Well, I do know 7-8 people who use brownbread with no regrets and all sound deadening materials perform the same basic operation of adding mass to reduce resonant frequency regardless of the material used. So, I suppose it is completely true.
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They are NOT all the same.
Wow, what a revelation. I have little to add since you put it so succinctly. Not only are they not all the same, they also look different, too. Pretty amazing [censored].
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Fact is this, asphalt does melt at temperatures which the insides of your doors WILL see if you live in a warm climate. Hell, you don't even have to live in a warm climate. eDead v1 melted to the inside of my brothers door in ONE hot day in Seattle. It was maybe 92 degrees outside. Ruined his door panels and part of the carpet. Car STILL smells like asphalt.
That's unfortunate. Given time, I could probably find 50000 people who have not had issues. I have read about 2-3 people having issues with it. I suppose it should be noted in future discussions that BradJs brother had an issue.
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But whatever, if you think using roofing materials (asphalt) is a suitable substitute for properly engineered acoustical damnening material, be my guest.
Please. Almost all sound deadening materials currently available previously existed on the market as something other than a properly engineered acoustical "damnening" (damping) material.
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Your $1-200 savings could possibly turn into $500 out the door when you have to replace something ruined by brownbead.
Do yourself a favor and go with a Butyl based product. There are some good ones out there for not much more $$ than brownbead.
Brownbread, afaik, isn't particularly cheap compared to some others. I just stated it has been used by many people without any problems. There will be scenarios where each materials may not be appropriate and obviously 92 degree days in Seattle spell doom for brownbread.
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F'in Edead V1-4 Owns all And bradJ your my hero 
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If your Edead melted into your car from the heat, you should probably head over to edesignaudio's forums and let Ben know it happened so he can help you out. It's funny, I've never ever seen anyone on that forum complain about edaed melting and destroying thier car.
Do you perhaps have a heating element in your door as well that has made the doors into small ovens? I mean to turn rubberised asphalt into a liquid that would run that well you'd think it would be over 92 degrees. Maybe I should talk my dad into using that stuff to repair highway cracks. We have to heat that stuff to some pretty extreme temperatures just to keep it workable even mid summer. If this edead melts at 92 degrees, he'd save tons of money wasted heating regular asphalt.
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Originally posted by dnewma04:
Well, I do know 7-8 people who use brownbread with no regrets and all sound deadening materials perform the same basic operation of adding mass to reduce resonant frequency regardless of the material used. So, I suppose it is completely true.
Well, I know of two people, and have read of multiple others who have had asphalt based products melt and/or fall off. Perhaps we are talking about two different things. I agree that all the products perform the same basic function of adding mass to reduce resonance...however, they do NOT all perform the same basic function of sticking to the flippin door! So I suppose your original statement isn't completely true.
Originally posted by dnewma04:
Wow, what a revelation. I have little to add since you put it so succinctly. Not only are they not all the same, they also look different, too. Pretty amazing [censored].
No need to be condescending. We can have a discussion without that.
Originally posted by dnewma04:
That's unfortunate. Given time, I could probably find 50000 people who have not had issues. I have read about 2-3 people having issues with it. I suppose it should be noted in future discussions that BradJs brother had an issue.
Well, I thought it fitting to share my personal experiences since you seemed to base your comments on the same type of experience. Given time, I too could find many people, besides my brother, who have had asphalt based products fail on them.
Originally posted by dnewma04:
Please. Almost all sound deadening materials currently available previously existed on the market as something other than a properly engineered acoustical "damnening" (damping) material.
Pardon the typo, but dampening is the term, not damping. We're not talking about moisture.
Besdides, does that make the previously existing products just as effective as the current ones? Hardly. You could say the same statement about nearly any consumer product on the market. All products evolve and improve. Call eD and ask them what the difference is between eDead v1SE and v1SE^2. Asphalt vs. Butyl. I'll opt for the improved product, thanks.
Originally posted by dnewma04:
Brownbread, afaik, isn't particularly cheap compared to some others. I just stated it has been used by many people without any problems. There will be scenarios where each materials may not be appropriate and obviously 92 degree days in Seattle spell doom for brownbread.
Well, we could go back and forth dissecting each others posts debating this, but I prefer not to.
I'm not denying that people have used BrownBead with great results. I know they have. People have used Peel & Seal roofing crap from Home Depot with fine results!
I just wanted to make people aware of the fact that asphalt based products can fail at higher temperatures. Why do you think Ben went to a Butyl based product for eDead v1SE^2??? Because people were having problems with v1 and v1SE! The customers demanded it! Call him and ask for yourselves...
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indeed honkey, im gonna run and patent EDead scrap for road repair
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Originally posted by BradJ:
Fact is this, asphalt does melt at temperatures which the insides of your doors WILL see if you live in a warm climate.
odd, none of my shingles have melted off my roof yet, and i'm willing to bet that it gets just as hot, or hotter, up there than it does in your car doors.
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Originally posted by MxRacer:
Originally posted by BradJ:
Fact is this, asphalt does melt at temperatures which the insides of your doors WILL see if you live in a warm climate.
odd, none of my shingles have melted off my roof yet, and i'm willing to bet that it gets just as hot, or hotter, up there than it does in your car doors.
Interesting...I wonder how hot it WOULD have to get to melt the shingles off your roof? Especially considering the fact that they are nailed down... 
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