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Originally posted by t-red2000se:
It's in the Koran. We covered this a couple of weeks ago. I'm not out of line for asking him to explain a facet of his religion. Nice try, ANT.
Well, cover it in another thread. We are talking about evolution and creationism.
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Originally posted by SalKhan:
Originally posted by Corbett:
They are not the same. God has a son, his name is Jesus.
I rest my case.
All I'm gonna say is when I have a problem, I'd go straight to the father, why deal with the son?
bcause w/out JESUS the son of God YOU would not be here.
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Originally posted by BP:
..how do you reconcile the fact that the bible promotes murder and torture of those who don't agree with christian principles.. (moses..red sea..plague..etc 
The Bible does not tell us today to kill those who do not agree with Christian principles. Do you need a quick lesson in the difference between the Old and New Testament? Because if you think God says we should kill anyone today then you obviously do need one.
And if you think Moses killed in any of those storied you mentioned, then you have another thing coming. God did that, not Moses. We are no where commanded to kill those who do not agree with Christian principles.
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Originally posted by sigma:
3> Evolution should most definitely NOT be taught as fact, and any teacher doing so should most definitely be reprimanded. It's called Evolutionary Theory for a reason.
Ding Ding Ding! That being said, there should be no reason to not give at least SOME time for discussion of intelligent design.
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Its kind of nice when these posts pop up, you can tell who the hardcore christians are, and who the atheists are. You can also tell who is able to be reasonable, view points from other peoples postions, and be considerate of other opinions. IE. the people I'd like to talk with. I applaud antonio, jedscontour, sigma, and a few others for this, Those of you who are blindly telling people they are wrong for having an opinion  (Woodencross). Opinions are like....
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Originally posted by Antonio Wright:
The flaw in your reasoning is that we all know math is factual. You can't teach evolution as being FACT, I am sorry but it is not a fact. So, you need to present the most popular theories at the time. I still don't see what is so hard with that.
If you can't understand that evolution is science and the cornerstone of biology and that creationism is religion, has no scientific basis and no place in a science class, then this discussion is moot.
To all of you who think that creationism should be taught alongside evolution in public schools, why don't you start by advocating that evolution be taught in Sunday school or Bible classes when Genesis in being covered.
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Originally posted by Pudmunkie:
You can also tell who is able to be reasonable, view points from other peoples postions, and be considerate of other opinions. IE. the people I'd like to talk with. I applaud antonio, jedscontour, sigma, and a few others for this, Those of you who are blindly telling people they are wrong for having an opinion (Woodencross).
Opinions are like....
So their opinions (antonio, jedscontour, sigma etc..) on evolution and religion are ok, but because mine are different I'm wrong for disagreeing? I'm not trying blindly hold to a point, it's just that they don't agree with me, and I don't agree with them.
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Originally posted by Corbett:
Originally posted by BP:
..how do you reconcile the fact that the bible promotes murder and torture of those who don't agree with christian principles.. (moses..red sea..plague..etc
God did that, not Moses.
so it's ok for God to kill as long as there's a good reason?
at this point you'll either keep piling it wider and deeper, or you'll accept that context of the entire passage/story must be kept intact.
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Dirt+Water = Life? Nope. Rather, carbon, oxygen, hydrogen, and nitrogen compounds with electrcity and we're getting somewhere. Scientists proved this method to create organic chemicals a century ago. Creationists can't hide the facts that these experiments hold physical proof. Creationism involves devotion and acceptance w/o conscious reasoning. Don't get me wrong, Evolution is not an exact study neither. There are aspects that I find difficult to accept. Yet, I find that most Creationists tend to scrutinize what we can quantify; Evolution.
In my opinion, most Creationists believe Science to be a static dogma. Rather, I think it should be taken as a view of the universe that is always subject to change based on observation and speculation--the development of a hypothesis and its testing for physical data which we can provide theories.
In the end, teaching Evolution is the best one can do, as it establishes the experimental processes of experimentation, observation, and speculation. But teaching Creation in a science class is misplaced. Science is based on empricism not devotion. Creationism's place can only be in a class of Theology/Philosophy.
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Originally posted by BP:
Originally posted by Corbett:
Originally posted by BP:
..how do you reconcile the fact that the bible promotes murder and torture of those who don't agree with christian principles.. (moses..red sea..plague..etc
God did that, not Moses.
so it's ok for God to kill as long as there's a good reason?
at this point you'll either keep piling it wider and deeper, or you'll accept that context of the entire passage/story must be kept intact.
actually yes it is ok for god to kill them,he created them,and they would not follow him so,what's hard to understand about that??? 
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