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Keep in mind: NewsMax is hardly what you could call "balanced" in their coverage. Veeeery right wing.
By the by, Bush has said there will be an inquiry into what went wrong. Whether or not it will shed any light is up in the air: I would prefer an independent inquiry, away from any possible semblance of partisanship. But it is something.
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New Orleans and Louisiana have both expected this to happen at sometime. Now it has and they were not prepaired. So if they have expected this to happen eventually, why was there no plan whatsoever? I mean, how hard would it be to have a building that is farther inland in an area that would not get flooded with supplies for such an emergency? Seems pretty simple to me.
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Originally posted by Phil Rohtla:
I don't disagree that the city and state have to share some of the blame. But that funding was cut beginning in 2003, IIRC. If that funding was in place, we *might* not be having this discussion right now. But then again, doomsayers have been warning of this for years.
Federal funding didn't prevent the city of NOLA using it's OWN resources to help itself. City buses aren't much use sitting in 6 foot of water! 
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First of all, I did note that the city and state will likley bear some blame when this issue is debated down the line, when the whole picture is clear. Like I said, we aren't going to know what happened until someone can look at events objectively and draw a clear picture.
You are forgetting that the city thought that it was free and clear, as the hurricane had passed. Then the levees broke. The concerns and warnings have been going on for years, but my understanding of the news reports (such as they are in these circumstances) is that this was a complete surprise.
If I am not mistaken, the total evacuation order came AFTER the water was pouring into the city, and probably inundating the buses. Which, sitting in six feet of water, were likely hard to start.
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We knew it was going to happen. They knew it was going to happen. Everyone knew it was going to happen. You can't have a city below sea level, surrounded by a lake, a river, and an ocean, and not know that it will eventually flood. The only question is when.
My question is why on earth did anyone ever build there in the first place. Perhaps the Dutch are wondering the same thing.
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Originally posted by bentleywarren:
My question is why on earth did anyone ever build there in the first place. Perhaps the Dutch are wondering the same thing.
The 'old' parts of NO didn't flood. French Quarter saw minimal flooding, the Garden District saw minimal flooding.
From Wikipedia:
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New Orleans was founded in 1718 by ...<blah,blah>...
The site was selected because it was a rare bit of natural high ground along the flood-prone banks of the lower Mississippi,...<blah,blah>...
The city districts suffered the most flooding were the ones populated at the end of the last century to house poor sharecroppers. I think the city planners knew about the problems (they had to keep rising the levees), and I also think they didn't really give a damn about them.
Tell me anything in this world what is not driven by short-term financial/political interests.
...and about the Dutch: they didn't really have any other place to go. You might as well as the British and the Japanese why are they living on islands... both had their fair share of floodings in the last 1000 yrs.
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Originally posted by Phil Rohtla:
If I am not mistaken, the total evacuation order came AFTER the water was pouring into the city...
You are mistaken.
The President called the Mayor of NO ahead of time and requested a full evac, but the Mayor was quoted as saying, "I need 24 hours to think about it." The order was finally given 24 hours later, which was still well ahead of the storm.
The Mayor and Governor are both Democrats, and the gov't around there has been known to be corrupt for quite some time. They both most likely did not want to take orders from the President, a political opponent, and therefore they dragged their feet, when they should have tossed out party-lines and just helped their people.
When I lived in SA and we were flooded, I saw all sorts of National Guard units, and local coordination take place, because the local and state gov't didn't have their heads up their collective asses, unlike in NO.
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Originally posted by DopePope:
Originally posted by iceddodo:
Agreed, but I hope they don't just build houses where they were before, because doesn't that just seem stupid to anyone else?
Very stupid. If they are going to rebuild the city this should be the last time. Next time it floods they should be on their own. No government money to rebuild a city that shouldn't be rebuilt. Just my opinion.
Also, I agree with the donation issue. What the Red Cross did with the money donated to the 9/11 fund was wrong. People donated money to help those victums not for them to save it for a later date. Sending clothing, bedding and other supplies seems like a more effective way to help at this point. At least we know that our donations are helping the victums, not paying some CEO of the Red Cross way more than he deserves.
Could someone please take Michael Moore out of our misery. 
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And next-time Southern California has a big Earthquake we can just up and move 20 million people (about 100 times as many as in New Orleans, BTW). Wouldn't want to just build all those houses right back there again. We'll move everyone to Nevada. It's not far. They'll love it there.
Next time a Hurricane hits the Eastern Seaboard -- let's just not worry about it. We've spent orders of magnitude more money repairing the Eastern Seaboard cities after Hurricanes since the last time New Orleans got hit, why should we keep doing that? I'm tired of paying taxes to keep rebuilding and higher insurance premiums because they choose to live there. Let's just abandon the entire Hurricane Target known as Florida. Nothing there but old people and Cubans anyhow, right?
Next time Chicago, Minneapolis, Boston, NYC, Philadelphia, etc have massive snow storms, just move the cities. Why do we keep bailing them out. Declaring them emergency areas practically every year and having to send in the National Guard to help people.
And all those farmers and people along the Mississippi River. Millions of you. You know who you are. I'm always having to rebuild your little piss-ant towns.
Nevada. Yes. That's it. We're going to move the entire country to Nevada. Damn near the only place that doesn't, and can't be expected to, regularly receive federal aid for some natural disaster or something. It's safe there. No tornadoes, no Earthquakes, no floods, no snowstorms, and not many big earthquakes. That way we can't [censored] about it anymore.
I'm not real keen on the idea of building a city right back there again either. But the people of New Orleans have paid taxes to rebuild every other area of this country sometimes multiple times over. Do you think they liked doing that either? Why should it be any different when their city is destroyed?
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Originally posted by EternalOne:
Originally posted by Phil Rohtla:
If I am not mistaken, the total evacuation order came AFTER the water was pouring into the city...
You are mistaken.
Upon further research, it appears that yes, i was. Mea culpa.
Here is the best analysis of the situation that I have read thus far.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4216508.stm
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