|
|
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 1,610
Hard-core CEG\'er
|
Hard-core CEG\'er
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 1,610 |
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 7
Newbie
|
|
Newbie
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 7 |
Who wants to tell the kid that he could have saved a bunch of money and just traded up on an R1. New 600s dont take turbochargers very well, atleast not without a bunch of work. High compression, static ECUs, and a lack of MAF sensor make it incredibly difficult to map a fuel curve that will work regardless of driving condition (eg full accel from idle, crack the throttle at 6k etc, 50% throttle anywhere). Yes PC3s can be programmed for different throttle ranges, and rpm ranges, but it has no idea how much your turbo is boosting at the moment.
Another issue, the new 600s use smaller fuel injectors at optimum efficiency, and unlike cars, it is difficult to find different sized injectors in a correct size fore a specific bike. More efficient injectors are one reason why the new 600s are running almost 120hp, instead of the old 90. This doesnt allow for much extra fuel for turbocharger. You also have to pressure-proof the airbox, and silicone the air inlet for it, that R6 has 4 throttle bodies, so you cant just connect the turbo directly.
Clearance issues. Anyone who has an above tire fender eliminator (and license plate) knows that once you actually start using some of that suspension, you start scraping your plate (I have to remove mine for the track). Would be a shame to scrape that oil line and the bottom of that turbo. Doesnt look like this will be an issue for this guy, look at the unused chicken strips on the edges of his tires, guy needs to learn how to turn. Rider is going ot make more difference that that turbo, be it road course, or drag strip. Because of these reasons, the remote mount turbo seems like a terrible idea to me. It also looks terrible IMHO. But to each his own I suppose.
Not sure where the pic came from, but there have been a couple of people selling remote mount turbo kits like this, that have turned out to be scams, so I wouldnt doubt if this is one. Anyone else notice that the end of the oil line in the 2nd pic appears to connect to nowhere. Looks to me like its just hung over the frame. Guess the tire has collected most of the return oil though. And yes, I agree that oil on the tire is an incredibly bad idea.
Edit:
Never realized I hadnt actually posted here yet, I guess this was fairly long for a first post 
Last edited by Jayock; 07/28/05 04:34 AM.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 4,777
Hard-core CEG\'er
|
|
Hard-core CEG\'er
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 4,777 |
Originally posted by KingpinSVT:
novel idea, poor execution.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 5,600
Addicted CEG\'er
|
|
Addicted CEG\'er
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 5,600 |
Originally posted by Jayock:
Who wants to tell the kid that he could have saved a bunch of money and just traded up on an R1. New 600s dont take turbochargers very well, atleast not without a bunch of work. High compression, static ECUs, and a lack of MAF sensor make it incredibly difficult to map a fuel curve that will work regardless of driving condition (eg full accel from idle, crack the throttle at 6k etc, 50% throttle anywhere). Yes PC3s can be programmed for different throttle ranges, and rpm ranges, but it has no idea how much your turbo is boosting at the moment.
Another issue, the new 600s use smaller fuel injectors at optimum efficiency, and unlike cars, it is difficult to find different sized injectors in a correct size fore a specific bike. More efficient injectors are one reason why the new 600s are running almost 120hp, instead of the old 90. This doesnt allow for much extra fuel for turbocharger. You also have to pressure-proof the airbox, and silicone the air inlet for it, that R6 has 4 throttle bodies, so you cant just connect the turbo directly.
Clearance issues. Anyone who has an above tire fender eliminator (and license plate) knows that once you actually start using some of that suspension, you start scraping your plate (I have to remove mine for the track). Would be a shame to scrape that oil line and the bottom of that turbo. Doesnt look like this will be an issue for this guy, look at the unused chicken strips on the edges of his tires, guy needs to learn how to turn. Rider is going ot make more difference that that turbo, be it road course, or drag strip. Because of these reasons, the remote mount turbo seems like a terrible idea to me. It also looks terrible IMHO. But to each his own I suppose.
Not sure where the pic came from, but there have been a couple of people selling remote mount turbo kits like this, that have turned out to be scams, so I wouldnt doubt if this is one. Anyone else notice that the end of the oil line in the 2nd pic appears to connect to nowhere. Looks to me like its just hung over the frame. Guess the tire has collected most of the return oil though. And yes, I agree that oil on the tire is an incredibly bad idea.
Edit:
Never realized I hadnt actually posted here yet, I guess this was fairly long for a first post
hey you cant post here! turd!
FYI- thats one of my roommates
#4559 of 6535 born on Feb 17, 1998
Black 1998.5 CSVT
FOR SALE [cleaning house]: SVT rear swaybar. Reasonable offer and its yours!
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 1,516
Hard-core CEG\'er
|
|
Hard-core CEG\'er
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 1,516 |
Holy crap liquidX Hard-core CEG'er Reged: 01/18/05Posts: 2262Jayock Newbie Reged: 01/18/05Posts: 1 
Cameron
98 Black CSVT #2958
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,066
Hard-core CEG\'er
|
|
Hard-core CEG\'er
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,066 |
Originally posted by Jayock:
Who wants to tell the kid that he could have saved a bunch of money and just traded up on an R1. New 600s dont take turbochargers very well, atleast not without a bunch of work. High compression, static ECUs, and a lack of MAF sensor make it incredibly difficult to map a fuel curve that will work regardless of driving condition (eg full accel from idle, crack the throttle at 6k etc, 50% throttle anywhere). Yes PC3s can be programmed for different throttle ranges, and rpm ranges, but it has no idea how much your turbo is boosting at the moment.
Another issue, the new 600s use smaller fuel injectors at optimum efficiency, and unlike cars, it is difficult to find different sized injectors in a correct size fore a specific bike. More efficient injectors are one reason why the new 600s are running almost 120hp, instead of the old 90. This doesnt allow for much extra fuel for turbocharger. You also have to pressure-proof the airbox, and silicone the air inlet for it, that R6 has 4 throttle bodies, so you cant just connect the turbo directly.
Clearance issues. Anyone who has an above tire fender eliminator (and license plate) knows that once you actually start using some of that suspension, you start scraping your plate (I have to remove mine for the track). Would be a shame to scrape that oil line and the bottom of that turbo. Doesnt look like this will be an issue for this guy, look at the unused chicken strips on the edges of his tires, guy needs to learn how to turn. Rider is going ot make more difference that that turbo, be it road course, or drag strip. Because of these reasons, the remote mount turbo seems like a terrible idea to me. It also looks terrible IMHO. But to each his own I suppose.
Not sure where the pic came from, but there have been a couple of people selling remote mount turbo kits like this, that have turned out to be scams, so I wouldnt doubt if this is one. Anyone else notice that the end of the oil line in the 2nd pic appears to connect to nowhere. Looks to me like its just hung over the frame. Guess the tire has collected most of the return oil though. And yes, I agree that oil on the tire is an incredibly bad idea.
Edit:
Never realized I hadnt actually posted here yet, I guess this was fairly long for a first post
Or a ZX12 ... yeah that is pretty stupid. The rear bun gets slippery enough with just tire dressing on there, can't imagine the amount of lowsides with engine oil all over the tire.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 7
Newbie
|
|
Newbie
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 7 |
Originally posted by KingpinSVT:
hey you cant post here! turd!
FYI- thats one of my roommates
I had the account so I could PM Dave, since he never answered his email. So I figured Id throw in my .02. Besides, I bet ive done more work on a contour than alot of the people on this board.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 7
Newbie
|
|
Newbie
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 7 |
Originally posted by ODC:
Or a ZX12 ... yeah that is pretty stupid. The rear bun gets slippery enough with just tire dressing on there, can't imagine the amount of lowsides with engine oil all over the tire.
Id be more afraid of the highside when the kid cut the throttle part way through the lowside. Ouch
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 4,155
Hard-core CEG\'er
|
|
Hard-core CEG\'er
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 4,155 |
Should design something that will protect from it. Out of plastic, or fiberglass? Something simple that looks good anyway. Is it even possible to mount something there without bein in way of the tire?  Better than being scraped off the pavement like ground beef though 
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 5,600
Addicted CEG\'er
|
|
Addicted CEG\'er
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 5,600 |
Originally posted by Jayock:
Originally posted by KingpinSVT:
hey you cant post here! turd!
FYI- thats one of my roommates
I had the account so I could PM Dave, since he never answered his email. So I figured Id throw in my .02. Besides, I bet ive done more work on a contour than alot of the people on this board.
heh, thats probably true. hell, from my header install alone you probably know the bottom side of a duratec better than most people on here!
#4559 of 6535 born on Feb 17, 1998
Black 1998.5 CSVT
FOR SALE [cleaning house]: SVT rear swaybar. Reasonable offer and its yours!
|
|
|
|
|
