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Just completing suspension on my pre-98. Had a rear STB previously installed and just ordered the OMP front STB, BAT 22mm rear sway bar,Koni adjustables, and Ground Controls. Looking for a place to get an oversized front sway bar and any additional assistance on possible components that would help in building the best suspension possible on this car. Any input would be appreciated.
96' Mondeo Conversion/Only one
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Konig Imagine 17"s on Nitto NT450 Rubber
Need $750 for wheels and tires, pics on my profile
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Originally posted by sjsmk1:
Just completing suspension on my pre-98.
Shouldn't you have done your research before you bought everything?
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Had a rear STB previously installed and just ordered the OMP front STB, BAT 22mm rear sway bar
It's 21mm, and you'd be better off with the Aussie bar under many circumstances (esp. auto-x)
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Koni adjustables, and Ground Controls. Looking for a place to get an oversized front sway bar
Bad tuner, no cookie! You want to get the smaller swaybar from the SVT to get rid of understeer. Too much roll stiffness up front hurts getting poer down and promotes understeer. Do a search of this site on the topic, and read "How to make your car handle" by Puhn. Then come back and we'll talk. Bigger is not always better.
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and any additional assistance on possible components that would help in building the best suspension possible on this car. Any input would be appreciated.
Best for what? What kind of racing are you doing? Drag, auto-x, road course HPDE? And the best for anything would cost more than you are willing to spend, and require replacing a bunch of those brand-new parts you just got. You really want to make your car handle better? Get rid of those 22.5lb wheels.
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Auto-X said it well.
Decent set up. Ultimate? Not even close.
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Hey douchebags, you are real quick to criticize but phil, your car is weak, pete your suspension setup is damn near the same as mine. There is a reason that this post asked for additional assistance, and that if you look at my signature the wheels are for sale. I was looking for the best all around setup, apparently none of which you two can help with. PS- money is not an issue, some of us have it. The BAT was ordered before i ever heard of the Aussie, im pretty sure that anyone reading the post knew what i was talking about. So if you are of no help and drive a weak @ss ride, please keep the comments to yourself.
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Konig Imagine 17"s on Nitto NT450 Rubber
Need $750 for wheels and tires, pics on my profile
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Originally posted by sjsmk1:
Hey douchebags, you are real quick to criticize but phil, your car is weak,
Did I ever claim it wasn't? I have other priorities right now. I'm getting married and building a house, which are more important than having a "non-weak" ride. Don't make this personal.
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pete your suspension setup is damn near the same as mine. There is a reason that this post asked for additional assistance, and that if you look at my signature the wheels are for sale.
Okay, good call on the wheels.
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I was looking for the best all around setup,
There is no such thing. If you mean best street setup, then get some softer progressive springs and you're pretty much set. If you're drag racing, ask someone else, I don't know. If you're road racing or auto-xing, then I can help you. All I did was ask for more details, and ask that you search for info and read up on suspension tuning before you jump in.
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money is not an issue, some of us have it.
Okay, great. Leda makes the parts you want, IIRC. And you're going to want to get tubular front control arms made up by someone (search- someone did it) with poly greasable bushings, a camber kit (unless you make the LCAs adjustable), a boxed-in rear subframe and upgraded rear bushings/control arms. You should also get a custom rear swaybar made up with adjustable ends so you can tune the suspension. I'd go with a 24mm hollow tube like the Aussie bar.
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The BAT was ordered before i ever heard of the Aussie, im pretty sure that anyone reading the post knew what i was talking about.
All I said was "It's 21mm, and you'd be better off with the Aussie bar under many circumstances (esp. auto-x)". I was stating the facts, telling you the what the best bar was. what was the problem with that?
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So if you are of no help
I said you needed a smaller front swaybar, which you didn't know. I told you where to find information about the topic. I informed you about a new rear swaybar that might be better. I told you about the wheels, which you did know, but I was trying to help on that one. I asked for more details on what you are doing with the car so that I could help. What more did you want me to do?
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and drive a weak @ss ride, please keep the comments to yourself.
Again, why does my car have anything to do with it? I know exactly what I would do if I had the money and the time and the desire to invest them in a ten-year old beater.
So, if you answer my questions, I can help you find what you are looking for. If you just get all foamy at the mouth becuase I told you your ideas on roll stiffness were all wrong, then you can go away. I have no tolerance for people who think their money can buy things it can't. Please don't be one of those people. Right now you need knowledge, not more parts. If you are serious about making the best Contour suspension possible, then figure out
a) what you want to do with it (no suspension is the best for everthing. There are always comprimises),
b) how much you want to spend (everyone has limits),
c) how long you are willing to wait (custom is the best, but will take a while).
I'd love to see you build an awesome suspension, and if you calm down and co-operate, we can figure out how to make it.
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Auto-X is a nicer guy than I am. I wouldn't give you the time of day with a response calling me a "douche bag" and insulting me. I have never stated that anything about my car was "the best". So why make a personal attack and make it look like I had made such claims?  Auto-X responded appropriately and agreed. I merely stated that I didn't think your plans were "ultimate", and was waiting for you to answer Auto-X's questions and contribute then. You have PM warning you about Forum Rule violations. 
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Wow.....this forum is going to he!! in a hand basket. Everyone is way to ready to flame anyone who comes on. There is such an over abundance of search Nazi's, that it makes it hard to make this forum a tool for those looking for info. Some of the info that you search for is out of date, other parts do not directly answer the question they are looking for.
On a side note. My car is on GC with Koni's. It has an Aussiebar 24mm hollow sway bar. The cars handling capabilities are unparralled. I also happen to have one more factor that helps the handling. A Quaife LSD. Wonderful setup, just kind of a rough ride at times.
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You are clueless. Original poster aksing if he was on the path to the ultimate suspension, and wanted help for the "best" suspension. Auto-X replied that more info was needed - best for what, etc. I agreed. Orginal poster came back with a flame post. And then you chime in with your nonsense about search Nazis. 
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Hey genius, did you look at the original response to my post. I am really no fan of a condescending attitude from one CEG member who has no right to criticize, and another with the same suspension setup. Phil then seemed to realize this and came with some beneficial information, and for this i am appreciative and intend on replying to his questions. You on the other hand pete, gave me a warning for calling you like i continue to see you. I also will consider the LSD option, and thank you for the support. Didn't intend for any "flame"throwing, but now this post is what it is.
96' Mondeo Conversion/Only one
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Konig Imagine 17"s on Nitto NT450 Rubber
Need $750 for wheels and tires, pics on my profile
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Originally posted by sjsmk1:
Hey genius, did you look at the original response to my post. I am really no fan of a condescending attitude from one CEG member who has no right to criticize, and another with the same suspension setup.
Originally posted by SVT PETE:
I have never stated that anything about my car was "the best". So why make a personal attack and make it look like I had made such claims?
I would like to see you find any place where I have made a claim that anything about my car, let alone suspension, is "the best" or "the ultimate".
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You on the other hand pete, gave me a warning for calling you like i continue to see you.
By calling me a and I quote, a "douchebag" and having a "weak @ss ride", and then following up a Forum Rule violation warning by calling me a "genius"?
Originally posted by sjsmk1:
Didn't intend for any "flame"throwing, but now this post is what it is.
If you didn't intend to then stop calling people names. It's that simple.
One last time I will ask you to avoid making personal attacks.
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