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Originally posted by Horse:
ok - since I really dont like F1 and I follow NASCAR more, someone tell me what this is all about? Michelin made a bad tire???
IIRC, there was a tire failure on a Toyota running the Michelin tire during qualifying. They inspected the tire and found some sort of defect and the other teams became worried. It was suspected by Michelin that the tires couldn't handle the rough surfaces and the g-loads of the Indy track.
Michelin proposed that the FIA install a chicane before the fron straight to slow the cars down. The FIA refused and didn't compromise with Michelin. The cars ran the parade lap and then the cars running Michelin tires returned to the pits. This took out 14 out of 20 cars in the field and left Ferrari, Minardi, and Jordan out on the track running Bridgestones.
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Originally posted by Horse:
ok - since I really dont like F1 and I follow NASCAR more, someone tell me what this is all about? Michelin made a bad tire???
the one tire rule doesn't permit teams to switch tires after the qualifying session is over. the car is essentially in "parc firme" once qualifying starts. then one tire is used for the entire race, pitstops are only for fuel changes now. this was supposed to help the lesser teams lower their overall costs because they aren't going through 2-8 sets of tires per race.
apparently, turn 13, which is part of the NASCAR oval has an exit speed that was unexpectedly quick given the other regulations put on the cars like power and downforce changes. the Michelin's weren't designed to withstand that exit speed and degraded too quickly during qualifying. Toyota had the worst of it, but Michelin convinced all teams that it was not safe to race under those conditions. the options (1 hour before the race, televised live worldwide) were as follows:
1) add a new temporary chicane to the beginning of turn 13 to reduce the final exit speed and entry to the straight.
2) allow teams to introduce a newly formulated tire that WOULD work, but was not used during qualifying.
FIA refused both options, and only the 6 Bridgestone cars ran.
Michelin was in the right on this one and FIA seriously screwed things up, IMO.
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Turn 13 is also the only banked turn they encounter all season. But like they kept saying, its not the first time they have been to this track, its the 6th.
They also said the USGP has the 2nd biggest fan turn out next to Monte Carlo (Monaco).
On a happy note, it was nice to see Tiago Monteiro (Jordan/ Toyota) get a podium finish. Too bad he didn't get to properly celebrate it as the Ferrari boyz left the podium.
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Why chould the FIA change their rules or the track just because Michelin tires weren't up to the task?
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Originally posted by baco99:
Originally posted by Horse:
ok - since I really dont like F1 and I follow NASCAR more, someone tell me what this is all about? Michelin made a bad tire???
the one tire rule doesn't permit teams to switch tires after the qualifying session is over. the car is essentially in "parc firme" once qualifying starts. then one tire is used for the entire race, pitstops are only for fuel changes now. this was supposed to help the lesser teams lower their overall costs because they aren't going through 2-8 sets of tires per race.
apparently, turn 13, which is part of the NASCAR oval has an exit speed that was unexpectedly quick given the other regulations put on the cars like power and downforce changes. the Michelin's weren't designed to withstand that exit speed and degraded too quickly during qualifying. Toyota had the worst of it, but Michelin convinced all teams that it was not safe to race under those conditions. the options (1 hour before the race, televised live worldwide) were as follows:
1) add a new temporary chicane to the beginning of turn 13 to reduce the final exit speed and entry to the straight.
2) allow teams to introduce a newly formulated tire that WOULD work, but was not used during qualifying.
FIA refused both options, and only the 6 Bridgestone cars ran.
Michelin was in the right on this one and FIA seriously screwed things up, IMO.
I have to disagree. Michelin was expecting them to change the race cousre by adding a chicane due to the fact that they made a tire that was unable to run the race. Who's fault is that? They have run there for what the last 5-6 years in the USGP. They should have known. How is it fair to the other teams who have their cars setup for a certain track to have the track changed due to Michelin making a bad tire?
Also, FIA said that they could run the new tires but they would recieve a stop and go penalty. Or they could run the existing tires and change them during pit-stops so long as the teams could show that the tire was getting too worn and becoming a safety risk. Which they could've easily done. Or they could have also just let up before the turn and ran it slower. Michelin balked at all these ideas. Basiclly saying change the track or we won't run.
Michelin is at fault here.
You never heard Bridgestone complaining earlier in the season that they wanted tracks changed when they were having problems with their tires.
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Think about it.
The fact all the cars did the pre-start lap, then the 14 cars pulled into the pits, was nothing more than a big F**K You to Mosley and Ecclestone.
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Originally posted by Allyn48:
Think about it.
The fact all the cars did the pre-start lap, then the 14 cars pulled into the pits, was nothing more than a big F**K You to Mosley and Ecclestone.
Which may be what needed to be said to them!!
Another interesting point brought up by the announcers, was that after resurfacing the track this year, they had to cancel IRL practive prior tp the Indy 500. Then they had the race w/out any problems. Well, since Bridgestone is sister companies with Firestone, that maybe they had some prior knowledge of what to plan for and used some of Firestone's findings to develop their tire for Indy. I don't mean cheating in any way, just a slight heads up.
I did find it odd that Lil Schui wrecked in almost the exact same place as last year. It did fair well for the new wall though. Last year (w/ Williams/ BMW) he had to be pout on a backboard, this year he walked away. Proves the wall works!
Does anybody else think Michael should have been black flagged for his exit of pit-lane? Or did the FIA not want to hurt themselves anymore by black-flagging their poster-child. Some food for thought.
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Having been at the race, and having stayed for the entire race which was a farce, it looked like those throwing beer cans, water bottles, and rented seats came from all over the globe. But it all comes down to this having happened in the US, so some will blame stupid rednecks from the US.
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