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Well, I called KKM today to order my induction kit, and when I hung up the phone I was still empty handed, due to the person on the phone being very rude. I own a 98 SE Sport with the 2.5 Duratech, but I liked the closed off look of the SVT's setup from them a lot better which tied the filter into the fender duct. I would much rather suck cold air from the fender to add to the extra air coming from the engine compartment setup, but do not want to pay good money for something that is going to look homemade (as the guy at KKM suggested I just "stick" a piece of hose into the filter). I like the looks of the chrome adapter on the end with the silicone hose tied into the fender duct. I even have an SVT fender duct on hand ready to accept the round hose. My main question is (based on what I was told my KKM): I thought the kit reused all the OEM sensors and everything, and that all that was eliminated was the stock air box. What "mounting hardware" would the SE not be able to use that the SVT would (same body style???) and how do the kits really differ? If I could get the chrome piece with silicone adapter at the end to finish the job off and make the filter look like it belonged there and wasnt hanging in mid air that also served to bring in fresh outside air, I would have no problem ordering the plain jane kit for the standard Duratech and then adding the silicone hose and chrome plate to the end, but you can only get those end pieces in a kit unless you want to chop up some dryer hose or whatnot from home depot, and even then the chrome piece is missing. Also, ANY pictures you can show me which demonstrate the differences between the two or websites, etc would be appreciated. If I do end up modifying the SVT KKM kit, I want to have a plan rather than spending money on it and being stuck between a rock and a hard place with a kit that will never be any good. Thanks guys.

just the kkm does wonders and there's a cai pic on this forum

SVT has IAT sensor in the intake pipe

Non-SVT has it mounted in the airbox.

The Non-SVT KKM is standard cone filter and provision for IAT

SVT KKM is larger cone filter with additional inner reverse cone filter for stock SVT fender air draw. NO provision fo the IAT.

I was wondering about that also, weather or not I should have got the SVT KKM or the one I bought which was the standard Duratec one. The reason why I'm saying this is I have the SVT fender air draw on my 96 SE! I noticed it a few months ago while cleaning my KKM. It's a plastic "egg" shaped (best I can describe it) open end and the pipe runs down my fender. Havent taken a "real" close look at it, but does every other Duratec engine have this too? It's almost like it's "ready" for an SVT air box if the owner chooses to install one, its ready for them to do so. Not sure if i'm talking out of my a@@ or not, I'll take a pic of it and post it in the pic and video forum.

The SVT fender piece isn't "egg" shaped. It is round.
I have installed an SVT are "box" on my '95 SE. I thought that maybe I could get the stock rubbe piece that fits between the air box and the fender to fit on the SVT piece. No go. I think I need the SVT hose from the TB to the MAF sensor. The hose is not long enough to allow me to get the right angle on the air box to hook it up to the fender.

I cannot beleive that Warren Kurtz was being rude, without reason! I have talked to Warren literally dozens of times, sometimes for hours at a time, and he has been nothing but courteous, and highly intelligent! Maybe he was "tired" of the conversation, looking at your whole post it seems that you don't know what you are talking about, I know for a fact that Warren Kurtz does, we have discussed cars and customers for hours at a time. Rethink your conversation and your knowledge of a subject before blasting away on the forum.
-RR

Rox,
I believe the reason for this post was to find out the information because I do not know. I never claimed any knowledge about the subject, this is what I am trying to figure out, and if you quote me as saying that I knew everything about this system then I will offer my humble apology. All that I said was that KKM was rude to me, and I do not think that the statement would qualify as "blasting away", but just a description of my encounter with the person. When I asked how the kits differed and explaining that I liked the way the SVT kit finished off at the fender duct, he told me "so the SVT has a connection to the fender duct.... woo-hoo." "you do not NEED the SVT kit, and you do not NEED the connection to the fender duct." Well, the thought running through my mind was that I really do not NEED the kit (or the sarcasm) as I have a functional airbox, but it is something that I want for a better look and sound. And for things that I want that are not that crucial to the car, if I am going to be spending my hard earned money on a mod, it is going to come out professional looking and the way I want it to be. He explained to me that dozens of customers each month ask him about this, and I am sorry, but if you are tired of talking about it, post more info, and certainly the sarcasm and overall tone of voice could have been done without.... I was polite to him. Us plain and simple folk with our SE's have SE's because we do not have SVT's. Not having SVT's qualifies us to be able to ask questions on how they differ, IMO.

Thanks to all of you who responded so far... keep the replies coming.... like I said, I would like to have a plan before I start this instead of simply throwing money towards it.

tdavidk: Yeah I just found out today that the fender air duck is round, not like mine, although it seems to have no purpose on mine so I'm still stumped as to why its there..lol. Oh well.

RoxRocket: I think YOU need to re-read posts a few times before you go "blasting off" in the forums. Weather or not you have had good conversations with KKM is totaly irrelevant!
You obviously wern't there when Fenderman was on the phone so how could you possibly comment on weather or not the other person on the other end at KKM was being rude or not???????????

All that matters (to Fenderman49 especially) is that HE thought "whoever" it was at the other end was being rude, weather it was Warren or somebody else. And reading his description of the conversation by Fenderman, it DID sound like they were being rude. I would of thought that if they said that to me!

So RoxRocket........Keep your opinions to YOURSELF and RETHINK before YOU open your MOUTH! (or fingers at the keyborad which ever comes first!).

The "problem" with the stock fresh air duct in the fender is that it is kind of convoluted and really doesn't draw "cold air". The temp thing is an under hood thing and the snorkle can't help much. i tried the hose to my KKM and saw NO difference in performance. The only change was the noise level was reduced a bit.Better off with a heat shield around the filter.

Now, don't take this the wrong way but are you saying that the air coming from the wheel well is not going to be as cold as a mocked up heat shield around an open filter? Someone please explain this to me. I don't buy it, I'm not saying you're wrong I just don't understand how that could be.