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Paul, good commentary that I agree with, but keep the personal attacks out of the thread.
As far as Davo goes, I think he was actually voicing a similar opinion to yours that there is more to sex than just reproduction and it should be an activity that is enjoyed and explored, not put up on the shelf until it's time to create a kid.
Dave, care to expand further?
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Originally posted by holycowSVTpaul:
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There are some of us who enjoy the spiritual and intimate aspects of sex; to minimalize it into biology is quite the offense on the nature of humans.
Grow some balls dude. Ask any man what they want out of a relationship and they will tell you great sex. Of the 90% of the women who don't understand this, 90% will get divorced.
Although I may agree there is more to life in chosing a life partner than just sex, let's not minimize the fact that sex is a PRIME motivator. Rationalize it any way you want.
I agree. After all what cause married people to wander most of the time - lack of sex in the marriage! 
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When Im trying to have a child I dont want the experience to be watered down. I truly think the high divorce rate today can be constributed to the modern openness of sexuality.
There is much to be said about the conflicts that a repressed sexuality causes an individual. I don't think "openess" is a great cause for divorce. In fact, openess and frankness is healthy. Sex should not be taboo. I agree it should not be causually flaunted around young children---but healthy expressions of affection are good to be seen within families.
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Originally posted by holycowSVTpaul:
A great sex life is usually the barometer of a healthy relationship between a man and a woman.
and a woman and a woman...sometimes three women, sometimes two women and a man...sometimes a couple guys, meh...
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Originally posted by djdanyloz:
Simple cliff notes: sex is to make offspring, that's it's natural purpose.
so then by the same token, not trying to propagate your species as often as possible (i.e. having children only when you want) would be as unnatural as having sex just for recreation, no?
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Originally posted by Corbett:
Originally posted by Buckshot77:
I'm not saying the churches should be promoting porn or anything of that nature, but a sermon or two geared towards how to explore healthy sexuality with your partner would get me interested in going back.
Well I would not be caught dead in any church that teaches contrary to what the Bible says. And if a church taught how to explore with a partner who is not your spouse they would be doing just that.
After having gone through a divorce, divorce is not a religious act, it's a civil act.
There was nothing my church could do to stop my divorce, or to keep our family together. I did the hard work too, owned what I did wrong and vowed to correct my short comings.
Yet the laws are written so that if one partner gets unhappy, they can unilaterally decide to end the marriage.
Infidelity plays no part in most child custody decisions or alimony decisions. Our society has decided that "no-fault" divorce is ok.
I have yet to attend a church that says it's for "no-fault" divorce. So I have a hard time putting much of the blame on our current divorce statistics on the church. If I recall, the church (both Catholic and most if not all protestant demoniations are against "no-fault" divorce.
I was willing to do what it took to save my marriage. My wife was unwilling to end her affair and stop the divorce she started. Many (maybe most) are due to one or both parties exercising some level of selfishness. No church can, nor should it force behavior as we are all given free will.
However, I cannot see blaming the church for divorce, few churches tell people to get divorces, certainly they don't tell wives to divorce husbands who are faithful, working and non-abusive.
Ok, I'm rambling and have to go back and read more on this thread.
FWIW, I did NOT have pre-marital sex with my wife before marriage. Neither of us were virgins, but we didn't have sex until marriage. That didn't ensure a happy and healthy marriage.
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Originally posted by Stazi:
Originally posted by holycowSVTpaul:
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There are some of us who enjoy the spiritual and intimate aspects of sex; to minimalize it into biology is quite the offense on the nature of humans.
Grow some balls dude. Ask any man what they want out of a relationship and they will tell you great sex. Of the 90% of the women who don't understand this, 90% will get divorced.
Although I may agree there is more to life in chosing a life partner than just sex, let's not minimize the fact that sex is a PRIME motivator. Rationalize it any way you want.
I agree. After all what cause married people to wander most of the time - lack of sex in the marriage!
No! If this were the case, then I should have been the one to have an affair. My wife knew that I wanted it about 3-4x/day and even at 40 can still deliver on that 
People can have emotional affairs that lead to physical affairs.
Husbands suffer through wives that are nagging and critical. Wives suffer through husbands that are controlling and emotionally distant.
People see to have all sorts of emotional needs met by their spouses or others. One of those needs is sex, but there are a whole host of needs people have and sometimes, someone has a need for conversation and getting that need met leads to "feelings of love" that lead to sex.
To many people, love is a feeling. To me and I believe the Bible teaches this by example as well, that love is a verb, it's an action. It's how you treat someone, not that warm fuzzy feeling you get.
As long as people decide they are going to follow their feelings over using logic, there are going to be affairs, both physical and emotional.
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I have no idea what my post had to do with Paul's response, so I'll just leave it at that. Originally posted by Buckshot77:
Dave, care to expand further?
Humans have three basic dimensions: psychological, biological, and spiritual (aka mind, body, spirit). Sex and sexual relationships are the only activities that involve all three at the same time. The physical nature is simple, the psychological a little more complex. The spiritual aspect of sex is something humans have been trying to figure out and actually struggling with for their entire existence. By 'spiritual' I don't necessarily mean religious, though the spiritual often manifests itself in religion. In other words, being religious is not a requisite for being spiritual.
Those who do not understand and do not attempt to fulfill the different human dimensions of sex are missing out on its true beauty and purpose. Many don't understand how unique our sexual existence is within the animal kingdom, and reduce it to a simple biological act (like Darwinists are inclined to do).
...that's about all I can focus on now. I may add later.
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Tony - you're right...I guess I simplified it too much.
With women, they do end up going elsewhere for emotional attachment if they aren't getting enough attention or emotional connection in their marriage and then they end up fugging the first guy that "listens" to them and sympathizes with them. For the women she "thinks" she has found what she is missing, and for the dirty a-hole who just stole your wife; he's just getting a free [censored] without the burden of being married to the woman, your wife.
With men, I think a lot of them stray becuase they aren't getting enough sex, or they are turned off their wives who basically ride them day and night and make their lives a misery - even if the "riding" is because of the man's shortcomings.
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Did you know that we are not so unique when it comes to sex? Chimpanzees and Dolphins both have sex for fun and are also promiscuous. 
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