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Originally posted by jrlayden:
HEBREWS 13:4 Honor marriage, and guard the sacredness of sexual intimacy between wife and husband. God draws a firm line against casual and illicit sex.
Here's your scripture hightower.
I knew that wouldn't take more than a minute or two.
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Originally posted by jrlayden:
HEBREWS 13:4 Honor marriage, and guard the sacredness of sexual intimacy between wife and husband. God draws a firm line against casual and illicit sex.
I read that as don't sleep around after you're married. fine.. but what about unmarried people?
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Originally posted by louisw:
Originally posted by jrlayden:
HEBREWS 13:4 Honor marriage, and guard the sacredness of sexual intimacy between wife and husband. God draws a firm line against casual and illicit sex.
I read that as don't sleep around after you're married. fine.. but what about unmarried people?
Exactly. My dare still stands.
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Originally posted by DESIGN:
It is much more than just the physical act. Sex within a marriage is intended to be the ultimate expression of love. The emotional side of sex is the one that is seldom taught. If someone doesn't understand that even if you are lucky enough to avoid the physical hazards the emotional scars can be longer lasting. Sex within a marriage is intended to be the safe place for that to happen
In my eyes, if "the ultimate expression of love," an emotion, is a PHYSICAL act, then your "love" is pretty screwed up. By summarizing your emotions in physical terms, you are basically admitting that you share a relationship based on physical aspects.
Originally posted by DESIGN:
Never forget it was God that created sex and the context in which is to be used. In that context it is neither evil or secretive.
God created sex for one explicit reason... procreation. If sex were created only as an expression of love, then it wouldn't also be the sole means to reproduction.
I certainly don't think that sex should be purely recreational (though I am guilty of a drunken one-night stand)... I believe it should be shared between two people that mean something to each other. I believe that "sex with a higher purpose" (ie to conceive) can be construed as an explicit expression of love, but its the conception that causes that, not the physical sex.
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ACTUALLY, there is no confirmed author of Hebrews, but most scholars think it was Paul, not John (who wrote the gospel of John and revelation... that's it). Just an FYI, and here's something else, not to argue back, cuz that get's nowhere. 1 corinthians 1:21 For since, in God's wisdom, the world did not know God through wisdom, God was pleased to save those who believe through the foolishness of the message preached.
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It's really unfortunate that we Americans are so hung up about sex. We are deeply conflicted and preoccupied by it. Our advertisements, books, films and music are saturated with sexual content, yet we agonize like Puritans over whether these messages are unhealthy. We preach abstinence and chastity, yet we have one of the highest rates of unwed mothers and STDs in the world. We have an unusual, immature fascination with sex partly because we are so torn about it.
As JaTo pointed out, this cultural confusion is largely a product of our judeo-christian heritage. Christians say we must not have sex outside of marriage (even married people are only allowed to have sex to procreate, according to some Christians). And there is plenty of biblical language that treats sex, sexual desire, and the human body as smutty, not something to be enjoyed and celebrated.
But we are biologically programmed to have as much sex as possible. We have succeeded as a species partly because we have virtually constant sex drive. Unlike many animals, we have the physical capacity and desire to have sex at almost any time.
Something has to give.
Biology always wins in the long run. Christianity has only been around for two thousand years, a drop in the bucket of human civilization. Before Christianity, we had other ways to control behavior, such as Confucian teachings, tribal rules, the Code of Hammurabi, and so forth. Even today, most societies get along just fine without biblical sexual taboos (and the guilt trips associated with them). Over time, Christian prohibitions about sex will fade away. Lots of other Christian teachings and values and traditions have fallen by the wayside over the centuries; ask any theologian or historian.
Many Asian, Pacific Island, African and European societies are much more relaxed about sex than we are. In many countries, young people do what comes naturally, without undue guilt and confusion. I don't mean they are having non-stop orgies over there. By all accounts, they really aren't more sexually active than we are. I just mean that young couples don't go around worried about their souls burning in hell just because they are getting some nookie.
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Originally posted by Metric System Chris:
Originally posted by Corbett:
The Church makes it sacred and evil because the Bible says it is only to be between and man and woman who are married to each other. Case closed. Thats what the Bible says and that is what most churches go by. It specifically says multiple times in the Bible that sex is not to be done before marriage or outside of marriage. It is called fornication.
Show me some scripture. I dare ya'
Gal 5:19-20
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,
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Eph 5:3-4
3 But fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as is fitting for saints;
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Col 3:5-6
5 Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry.
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Originally posted by caltour:
But the fact is that we are biologically programmed to have as much sex as possible.
Do you think that line will work at the bar?
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Originally posted by neelnug:
Just a simple question. When did sex become evil, wrong, secretive, terrible, etc etc etc.
When Adam lost his rib.
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Originally posted by caltour:
But the fact is that we are biologically programmed to have as much sex as possible. We have succeeded as a species partly because we have virtually constant sex drive. Unlike many animals, we have the physical capacity and desire to have sex at almost any time.
Maybe DeCarte should have said "I hump, therefore I am."
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