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Originally posted by sigma:
My comment on the Mazda6 was based off the stock 1/4-mile times of 14.8s.
Alright. I'll even let you ride that into the ground. You're still giving the Mazda the advantage of a manual transmission. 
Why are you even comparing a family sedan to a sport coupe? They aren't in the same class, serve the same needs or have ANYTHING else in common save for four wheels and metal. Sometimes I think you Mazda boys stand too high on your boxes. One day you'll fall.
I could bring up twenty different cars besides the Mazda 3/6 that run times similar to the Mustang V6; it still doesn't mean jackshit.
BTW, the irony here is that a majority of those V6 Mustang owners are females looking for a cruiser, not a racer. So this speak of "thinking they [the V6 owners] have the fastest cars on the road" isn't supported very well save for those that are just attempting to form a mask over the fact that they just don't like the Mustang.
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Why are you even comparing a family sedan to a sport coupe? They aren't in the same class, serve the same needs or have ANYTHING else in common save for four wheels and metal.
No, but you'd think that the similarly-priced sport coupe would offer at least speed over the family sedan if nothing else. Something in a performance category over the family sedan parked next to it on the dealer lot (when the Fusion hits the lots, that is). Speed is what a sport coupe, and more particularly a pony car, is supposed to offer isn't it?
The only thing the V6 'Stang offers is Looks -- a category the new 'Stang in particular excels at. Let's face it, if you want the look of a pony car, the Mustang is the only option left anymore. The downside to the desire to own a car that looks fast is that the owners tend to think they are fast. If I had a dime for every V6 Mustang owner who either 1> Talked to me about how fast their car was, or 2> Talked to me about how dissapointed they were in their 'Stang because it was so slow, or 3> Just looked at me like they were the hottest [censored] on the planet, I'd be a very wealthy man.
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I could bring up twenty different cars besides the Mazda 3/6 that run times similar to the Mustang V6; it still doesn't mean jackshit.
I never said that there wasn't any more cars. I just picked the two cars that I owned because I know what they run in the 1/4 and they run about the same price. I could have picked the even faster Altima, but I wanted something with a smaller engine, and that was a Ford product, to further emphasize the point.
If there's one thing you're consistent at, it's missing the point of things. You've got to be one of the densest people around. I don't know how to make it any clearer for you, so maybe if I put it in Bold you'll understand:
It's funny that Ford's (virtually) own 3.0L-V6-powered Mid-Size 4-Door FWD Family Sedan is faster and handles better than the its' own similarly-priced 4.0L-V6-powered RWD Sport Coupe.
I didn't say my car/s was/were "better", I said that it was "ironic"/funny that the numbers bore out the way that they did, considering the cars I was comparing.
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BTW, the irony here is that a majority of those V6 Mustang owners are females looking for a cruiser, not a racer. So this speak of "thinking they [the V6 owners] have the fastest cars on the road" isn't supported very well save for those that are just attempting to form a mask over the fact that they just don't like the Mustang.
Get one thing straight -- I like the Mustang.
If not for my serious dislike of the interior, I would own a new GT right now; and am still halfway considering it. I also firmly believe that the V6 Mustang has a definite and legitimate place in their lineup -- it would be stupid to deny that seeing that it makes up 76% of the sales. But you've got to be seriously deluded and downright blind to not see the attitude that the vast majority of the V6 owners have. And to be fair, I will say male V6 owners because it's pretty rare to find that attitude amongst the women -- at least not so obviously made.
It's not exactly an isolated opinion held by amongst a small minority of anti-'Stang car enthusiasts. I've heard it from countless other people who don't really care one way or the other about cars from other friends, to my coworkers, and even my wife.
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Originally posted by johnwilliams474:
when i look at a mustang i don't see a fast car although it is kinda
i see a car with possibillitys
granted alot of people don't follow through but if you were to invest in the mustang
suspesion upgrade and maby a turbo or 2 or a super charger
you would have one of the faster cars out there and still have money leftover
i can see myself buying a v8 a mustang and useing it as a weekend
car or something because the gas milage would suck
as for the 4.0l v6 i know the gas mile age sucks on that
i know im dreamen but i want a car with ALOT of power but i don't wanna pay that much for gas
thats why im looking in to diesil damnit im 100% ford
but i swear my next vehicle is going to be a diesil even if i have to buy a volkswagon i think they have a diesil
I had a '99 Cobra Convertable that gave me 24 mpg over the road. Same as my '96 Zetec Contour. Premium was worth the price when I wanted to tap out 150 mph.
Grow up! Quit asking stupid questions! And quit acting like you know it all!!!!
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ive met maybe a handful of V6 guys who thing their stangs are fast. TONS of V8 owners who think they have the fastest car ever made. I live in V8 stang territory. It's funny when i see a V8 stang go at it with a Z28 and get smoked. so much for fastest on the road. yeah, i know, there are tons of reallllly fast ones out there, but when you buy a Stang GT you get a free ego boost included. as for the eagle talon being as fast as the V6, what about the NA S2000 being as fast as a GT?  the V6 mustang is for people who want a fairly cool car with mustang styling but without the wacked out insurance rates and gas guzzling. my wife is considering the new coupe and thinks the power is more than adequate for her. if it was for me, id get a V8 naturally. ive even considered selling my tour for a V8 stang 02/03/04 but then think again of the gas and insurance factors, especially insurance. 
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Well guys to start off the 84 svo 2.3 turbo wasn't a bad 4cly idea, but bad place in the mustang, it ran a 15.3!!
I see everyone is moving off topic here all i was mentioning is that the new mustangs, has some ballz. And i do have to say that the 4.0 liter is getting 19/28 mpg.
Also the 98 mustang v6 sucked horribly it ran an average of 17.1's a 1/4 mile. So this upgrade is a big plus coming from me.
I see agree with both sides. So i will leave this topic to you guys!! I personally don't care. as long ford gets better in sales and rasies revenues that means more future cars and more people on there payroll.
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Originally posted by sigma:
Speed is what a sport coupe, and more particularly a pony car, is supposed to offer isn't it?
That's the purpose of the V8 model. That was the only thing I was trying to point out not only to you, but to a lot of the other people that seem to be bashing the V6. The V6 is for people that want a boulevard cruiser like the Thunderbird, not a drag racer. They like the looks, but know the performance will kill them as far as insurance, if not literally when they wrap the dang thing around a tree at a buck fitty. 
Originally posted by sigma:
The downside to the desire to own a car that looks fast is that the owners tend to think they are fast.
I guess I'm blind to this, because a vast majority of the V6 Mustang owners I've seen are women. Those Mustang owners that are male were smart enough to go for the GT, in which their bragging rights are in every sense of the word correct. 
Originally posted by sigma:
It's funny that Ford's (virtually) own 3.0L-V6-powered Mid-Size 4-Door FWD Family Sedan is faster and handles better than the its' own similarly-priced 4.0L-V6-powered RWD Sport Coupe.
I see your point, as it was valid the first time I saw it. I just get a little tired nowadays with more and more of this website converting over to the Mazda factor and committing the crimes that you guys are accusing the V6 Mustang owners. But to compare them to every other car that comes across these boards starts to sound ridiculous when it comes down to a Ford Mustang vs. Mazda 6. For all that, you should've gone all out and said the MS6 is going to be on par with the Mustang GT. Right?
Just to illustrate my point, I'm going to pick two vehicles at random: let's go with the Subaru Forester XT and Lotus Elise. They run times similar or quicker than the Mustang GT, but when in casual conversation, one wouldn't think to toss in a turbocharged sport utility vehicle or an oversized go-kart into the gene pool of a rubber-burning, not too practical RWD performance car. The same holds true for the lesser V6 model: When talking about it, one doesn't usually look across the street and go, "Oh, wow...it never occured to me that the Mazda sedan over there is quicker than this Mustang I'm about to buy." Reason being is that a Mustang seeker isn't going to give a sedan any thought because the Mustang carries 42 years of well-known history that none of the sedans will be noted for. Hell, if Ford didn't make the Mustang, this potential example buyer likely wouldn't even be on a Ford dealer parking lot. This is because people buy the Mustang because of the name, not because of what it can do.
I do apologize for going off though, as one day when I do get around to driving the bloated 6, I might see this light everyone else talks about so fluently. (I drove a 3 already and it was an excellent machine,  but I didn't feel it was any faster than my old ATX Contour, and THAT was definitely not a Mustang contender.) I really shouldn't talk it down as much as I do. 
Originally posted by sigma:
You've got to be one of the densest people around.
Thank you. I'm blushing. 
Originally posted by sigma:
Get one thing straight -- I like the Mustang.
I saw this the first time you said it. That went out to others who did not give a legitimate reason for their opinion on the V6. I guess I should've clarified it better by quoting them as well. My mistake. 
But I think this thread is about done, don't you? 
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PS: Be sure you read that part where I apologized. Reading it all over again, I feel pretty bad about it now. 
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Originally posted by Mkingracing:
Well guys to start off the 84 svo 2.3 turbo wasn't a bad 4cly idea, but bad place in the mustang, it ran a 15.3!!
Wasn't too bad of an idea when you compared to the Gt from the same year. It would keep up with the Gt on the strip and walk away from it on anything with curves.
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