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Our city is really cheap so they don't allow the plow trucks to work overtime so when we get snow it gets plowed in the next few days.... maybe. I'm sooo fed up with them and so is the other half of the town. I went straight into a snowbank last week cause we had 4 in of snow on the road and ice under that. I slowed down to like 10 or lower even but the tires just turned and the car didn't follow.
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Yeah when the car is sliding don't pull the ebrake... then your front and rear wheels slide... like said above... dont brake and just feather the gas...
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Originally posted by N-terst8:
Yeah when the car is sliding don't pull the ebrake... then your front and rear wheels slide... like said above... dont brake and just feather the gas...
Steve
depends, I have come around some corners where the car just starts to slide because of snow, a quick pull on the ebrake will bring the back end around and make the car turn, you just need to know how to counter that if it goes to far, and that is with the steering wheel and the gas
but no matter what you do the black ice will always do you in
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I'm proud to say I survived going literally sideways for about 50 feet merging onto the thruway coming home from school last week. I knew the worst thing would be to countersteer heavily, so I turned the wheel 1/4, tapped the brake for a weight shift and then hit the gas; it got me going straight again.
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I know how you feel. My brother put our miata in a ditch today.
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Originally posted by Figols:
...if you're spinning out with a front wheel drive you point the steering wheel in the direction you want to go and give it some gas. Most of the time you can pull out of it.
We're talking winter driving here, right? If you've already lost traction on snow/ice and are sliding, the front tires aren't going to magically gain traction when you "give it some gas" with the wheels pointing in the direction you want to go.
Look at it this way... If you're rounding a tight corner on a snowy road in your FWD car and you gas it enough to break the tires loose, will your yaw rate increase? Not hardly. Once the front tires break loose you lose your cornering force, and the nose of the car plows straight (massive understeer) until you get the front tires rolling instead of sliding again. On a dry road, the coefficient of sliding friction is high enough that you might luck out and slow down enough to regain some directional control before going off the cliff, but again, we're talking about winter driving here.
The lesson? Once you break loose in a corner, cranking the steering wheel farther into the desired turn won't do a whole lot of good on the white stuff. If anything, try straightening out the wheel to get the fronts rolling again, and then try to re-establish your turn. Of course, if you were going fast enough to get in big trouble on the snow in the first place, you're probably already burined in the snowbank by then. 
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dont do 30 mph around a corner in the snow
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I've notice, if I'm getting MASSIVE understeer such as that I will crank the tires and slam the gas padel (90% of the time it works)
as for the ebrake ordeal, it has saved me many times, if I'm getting massive oversteer I will slight pull it up to break out the back end, feather the gas pedal and usually pull out
and when I pull the e break and slide WAY to much, (when I'm just about to pull a complete 180, I will crank the wheel in the direction I want to go.. and slam the gas, and 95% of the time the car will straighten out (maybe its the winter tires?)
plus I've tried alot of experimenting in parking lots.
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Originally posted by garrick:
We're talking winter driving here, right? If you've already lost traction on snow/ice and are sliding, the front tires aren't going to magically gain traction when you "give it some gas" with the wheels pointing in the direction you want to go.
Look at it this way... If you're rounding a tight corner on a snowy road in your FWD car and you gas it enough to break the tires loose, will your yaw rate increase? Not hardly. Once the front tires break loose you lose your cornering force, and the nose of the car plows straight (massive understeer) until you get the front tires rolling instead of sliding again. On a dry road, the coefficient of sliding friction is high enough that you might luck out and slow down enough to regain some directional control before going off the cliff, but again, we're talking about winter driving here.
The lesson? Once you break loose in a corner, cranking the steering wheel farther into the desired turn won't do a whole lot of good on the white stuff. If anything, try straightening out the wheel to get the fronts rolling again, and then try to re-establish your turn. Of course, if you were going fast enough to get in big trouble on the snow in the first place, you're probably already burined in the snowbank by then.
Yes that maybe true, but how many of us have had enough time to straighten the wheels let them roll then cut back again... by then you should be worrying about your cars front bumper cuz you would've hit the snow by then. What you have to do is cut it in the direction you want to go and feather the gas. becuase if you have the wheels cut the wheels will still roll foward. just at a different angle, so less forward motion of the wheel. And I say feather it because if you hold down the gas you never get any traction. Feathering it gives the wheel a chance to roll and gain traction.
Originally posted by Mad_Medeiros:
as for the ebrake ordeal, it has saved me many times, if I'm getting massive oversteer I will slight pull it up to break out the back end, feather the gas pedal and usually pull out
I think you mean understeer (or as us NASCAR fans like to say... its really tight!  )
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oops, yeah thats what I meant, d'oh 
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