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Originally posted by LUK A LYK:

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sorry to hear that you are disappointed with the 3 Koko. I have nothing bad to say about it. I think it handles better and I know its alot faster than my old auto Zetec. I was actually just talking to Pete yesterday and he was telling me how you test drove both the 3 & the 6. See I test drove both of them as well. I test drove the 6i though and not the S. Both were manual and I felt the 6 was very sluggish and unresponsive. It may just have been that specific car but I was quite disappointed. With me posting these numbers...it was kinda neat to see how the numbers of the 3 were pretty similar to the CSVT.

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Originally posted by SVT PETE:

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Cap CEG Troll #2:

1. Comparing a 5+ year-old car vs a new car is apples to oranges

2. Comparing the CSVT vs 3 based only a your experience w/ a Zetec makes zero sense

3. As others have stated, the CSVT #s you posted are generous - stock CSVTs have run low 15s

Regardless, the CSVT will thrash the 3. Check how they hold their own / outperform cars that cost $10k in AutoX.

Thank you and have a nice day!

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Originally posted by Kokopellian:

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Originally posted by SVT PETE:

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Cap CEG WantaBe:

1. Comparing a 5+ year-old car vs a new car is apples to oranges

2. Comparing the CSVT vs 3 based only a your experience w/ a Zetec makes zero sense

3. As others have stated, the CSVT #s you posted are generous - stock CSVTs have run low 15s

Regardless, the CSVT will thrash the 3. Check how they hold their own / outperform cars that cost $10k in AutoX.

Thank you and have a nice day!

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Exactly. My 5 year old CSVT will trounce a 3s anytime, and any stock 6s in AutoX.

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Originally posted by moxnix:

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Originally posted by Kokopellian:

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Originally posted by SVT PETE:

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Cap CEG Troll #2:

1. Comparing a 5+ year-old car vs a new car is apples to oranges

2. Comparing the CSVT vs 3 based only a your experience w/ a Zetec makes zero sense

3. As others have stated, the CSVT #s you posted are generous - stock CSVTs have run low 15s

Regardless, the CSVT will thrash the 3. Check how they hold their own / outperform cars that cost $10k in AutoX.

Thank you and have a nice day!

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Exactly. My 5 year old CSVT will trounce a 3s anytime, and any stock 6s in AutoX.

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Not if you are driving your CSVT and some of the local 6s guys are driving the 6s.

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Dammit Shawn (yes I used your name) I told you to stop harrassing me! There is room enough here for two trolls.

Besides, yeah AutoX is a driver's race, but a stock CSVT will out handle a 6s, that's an undeniable fact. Even better, mod the suspensions and the CSVT will still come out on top. You ever ride in Pete's? The ONLY car I've ridden in that corners better than his was a Porsche, and even then it would still be close. Pete had the 19s, Konis and Coilovers. We took a 90 degree turn at 40+ mph, the rear just slid around like he was handbraking. I've NEVER seen even a modded 6 come close to that.

Originally posted by moxnix:

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I know of a few other 6s drivers and even one 6i driver that would kill your car in AutoX.

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Not a chance in hell the CSVT gets "killed". That's a ridiculous statement when it's proven that CSVTs are surprising people and regularly competing with and beating cars that cost $10k+ more, and cars that are supposed to be so great at AutoX.

That video was lame. There is no basis for comparison. See above statement again.

I've driven the 6 and IMO in stock form:
Acceleration: 6 - slightly
Handling: CSVT - hands down, no contest
Braking: couldn't really do much w/ the lame salesman in there
Shifting: CSVT, easily. Clutch and shifting are more driver friendly than the 6.
Driver visibility: CSVT

So you're telling me that a car that barely out-accelerates a CSVT, but lacks in every other department is going to "kill" a CSVT? For a interesting discussion, why don't you post that in General Discussion to see what everyone else thinks?

The 6 in my eyes can be an upgrade when modified to handle like something other than a boat. By today's standards of new cars, the 6 is severely underpowered and handles very poorly - reminds me of a A4. That being said and considering how much a loaded 6 goes for ( ), I'd rather buy a blown SVT, drop in a 3 liter with all the goodies and pocket the $15+k.

I understand you have "Mazda Fever" now, but I did not realize you were literally blinded by it to make such ridiculous statements! Don't be bitter your Contour died. It's not the car's fault that you neglected it so badly!