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Read this, and lets discuss... http://www.thisislondon.com/til/jsp/modules/Article/print.jsp?itemId=15201282My take on things really gets skewed when I read this line: "The RAC Foundation said police in Durham had examined blood samples from 23 people killed in road accidents. Fifty per cent had traces of cannabis, cocaine, ecstasy or other drugs. ". This is an inflated fact, the way I see it. While alcohol is in your bloodstream you remain intoxicated, but drug traces stick around a lot longer, longer than the high lasts. For example, THC stays in your blood for about 30 days, depending on your metabolism, and coke for 3 days. Now, simply because I smoked one 2 weeks ago, and then got into an accident, does not mean the accident was drug related. These "facts" simply use only portions of the truth to state their message, which I guess is standard in todays world. What do ya'll think? E1
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Did they mention that 100% of those who had drugs in their system also had alcohol intoxication.
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Well since drugs are illegal in the first place who cares?
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Originally posted by todras:
Well since drugs are illegal in the first place who cares?
Agreed. If you don't do drugs, they won't be in your system.
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Originally posted by todras:
Well since drugs are illegal in the first place who cares?
They are trying to establish cause and effect.
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Agreed. If you don't do drugs, they won't be in your system.
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Originally posted by spgoode:
Originally posted by todras:
Well since drugs are illegal in the first place who cares?
They are trying to establish cause and effect.
Exactly. They're not trying to give the dead drivers a jail term, they're trying to figure out what caused the crash. The drugs are listed on the report even when they didn't have anything to do with the accident.
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Originally posted by spgoode:
Originally posted by todras:
Well since drugs are illegal in the first place who cares?
They are trying to establish cause and effect.
Exactly. They are trying to place the blame on the drugs, when in fact that was not the cause.
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Well since drugs are illegal in the first place who cares?
Ok, then this exact problem can be applied to perscription drugs with the warning labels on them. So, you have a script for say Oxy, but it tells you not to drive while taking it, and you follow those directions to the letter. Well, 3 days after you stop taking it, you get into an accident, they take your blood and find oxy in your system, and instantly you are charged with DUI. Granted, this is a stretched example, but its the same thing with drugs.
Say I go to Canada for the weekend, smoke a few (legally), and then get into an accident the next day coming home. I am no longer high (unless its some damn good stuff, heh), yet I get charged under the drug-driving laws, when I was not impared any longer? And then to top if off, I become another statistic?
Let's get into WHY drugs are illegal. Does anyone know why marijuana is illegal? I won't post the answer, but instead I'll wait to hear everyone elses misconceptions of why. And remember, the "its bad because its illegal, and its illegal because its bad" defense won't work here.
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Originally posted by LancasterTour:
Originally posted by todras:
Well since drugs are illegal in the first place who cares?
Agreed. If you don't do drugs, they won't be in your system.
while this is true, that wasn't the point he was trying to make at all though. what if I was at a party, smoked a joint, and 3 weeks later got into an accident. is it drug related? not at all...
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Originally posted by todras:
Well since drugs are illegal in the first place who cares?
My guess is that people who are injured or lose loved ones due to "drug driving" might care; as should the rest of us on the roads who are at risk of the same fate.
To Eternalone's point: I agree - either there wasn't enough detail in that report or there simply hasn't been enough research to make finite conclusions - but it is likely not fair to make a direct comparison between the effects of drugs on drivers vs. that of alcohol.
On the other hand, I think fundamentally we can agree that driving under the direct influence of drugs is not a good thing in the same way as driving under the influence of alcohol is not; however, for all we know driving under the influence of OTC drugs may pose an even bigger problem.
In any event, this kind of research is long overdue IMO.
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