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First of all, if you're going to upgrade you might want to think about getting something a little better than an AMD 2400+. That's not much of a step up from the 1700+. And if you had a decent motherboard, which I'm sure you don't, you'd be able to overclock your 1700+ close to 2400+ speeds. Aside from that, if you're hoping to play DooM3 at anywhere near an acceptable frame rate you better return that POS 2400+, and save for a couple more months. I don't know if you've been paying attention or not, but the technology DooM3 is running CG-style state of the art graphics. There aren't any video cards on the market for $150 worth purchasing. ESPECIALLY if you want to run DooM3.
I have a P4 3.5GHz with 1GB of PC4000 RAM and an ATI 9800XT with the 875P chipset, and I still don't manage great framerates in DooM3.
Since you're obviously too "busy" to do any research on your own, lemme give you MAP OUT a system for you that would run DooM3 nicely.
P4 3GHz+ CPU, Motherboard with 875p chipset, 1-1.5GB or RAM, and an NVidia 6800GT/ATI Radeon X800PRO.
And a note to the technological advisor on the board who said "It's not worth buying a 9800 because you can just buy a 9800 PRO for a little more and the performance increase is worth the extra money."
The only difference between a 9800 and a 9800PRO are the core/memory speeds, which, GUESS WHAT? You can simply change with a BIOS flash.
There are some differences between certain 9800's. Some are 128MB, some are 256MB. You have to pay attention.
Good luck.
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if you are going to upgrade boards/cpu i would wait a few months for pci express to come out. ATI already has cards just waiting for the motherboards to come out. im building my next computer around doom 3
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Originally posted by SVTdriver762:
First of all, if you're going to upgrade you might want to think about getting something a little better than an AMD 2400+. That's not much of a step up from the 1700+. And if you had a decent motherboard, which I'm sure you don't, you'd be able to overclock your 1700+ close to 2400+ speeds. Aside from that, if you're hoping to play DooM3 at anywhere near an acceptable frame rate you better return that POS 2400+, and save for a couple more months. I don't know if you've been paying attention or not, but the technology DooM3 is running CG-style state of the art graphics. There aren't any video cards on the market for $150 worth purchasing. ESPECIALLY if you want to run DooM3.
I have a P4 3.5GHz with 1GB of PC4000 RAM and an ATI 9800XT with the 875P chipset, and I still don't manage great framerates in DooM3.
Since you're obviously too "busy" to do any research on your own, lemme give you MAP OUT a system for you that would run DooM3 nicely.
P4 3GHz+ CPU, Motherboard with 875p chipset, 1-1.5GB or RAM, and an NVidia 6800GT/ATI Radeon X800PRO.
And a note to the technological advisor on the board who said "It's not worth buying a 9800 because you can just buy a 9800 PRO for a little more and the performance increase is worth the extra money."
The only difference between a 9800 and a 9800PRO are the core/memory speeds, which, GUESS WHAT? You can simply change with a BIOS flash.
There are some differences between certain 9800's. Some are 128MB, some are 256MB. You have to pay attention.
Good luck.
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I bet this game would run well on a $3000 gaming rig! Why didn't we think of that!  Oh that's right...don't have 3 grand!
I have an AMD 2100 running 2.2 GHz, one gig pc2700 and an ATI 9700 Pro with the game set to high detail without a problem. How come his struggles? 
This might help.
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First of all, PCI Express is ALREADY out. Second, if you're purchasing a system to just play games on, at this point, PCI Express is just a waste of money.
Let me set it up for you...
Video cards have been running through these 'bandwidth' increments for a long time now. For the point of this post I'll only mention AGP 2x, 4x, and 8x. If you look on the shiny box for your new video card you'll see, most likely, "8x AGP". Now, before 8x AGP, there was 4x AGP. Technically 8X AGP is DOUBLE the bandwidth of AGP 4X... Well, do a little experiment: if you have an AGP 8X card, go into your BIOS and change your video card setting down to 4x. Don't worry, it'll work. Reboot the system, and run some benchmarks. Change your system back to 8X AGP and run the same benchmark. You'll notice little to absolutely no performance gain.
Why? Because games don't utilize the extra bandwidth allowed with AGP8x. Hell, they don't even fully utilize AGP 4X yet. So... If you upgrade to PCI Express, the only thing you're getting at this point with VIDEO cards is increased bandwidth (technically double the bandwidth of AGP 8x). The performance of the video cards is STILL up to the actual video card.
SO. If programs or games (except MAYBE for high definition video editing) aren't fully utilizing even AGP 4X yet, WHY would you want to upgrade to PCI-E 16x??? At this point it's all marketing, and sadly, you noobs are falling for it.
GO do some research before you suggest technology to people.
And better yet, the rest of you, go do some research before you listen to these people.
Good Luck,
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I have a P4 3.5GHz with 1GB of PC4000 RAM and an ATI 9800XT with the 875P chipset, and I still don't manage great framerates in DooM3.
Dude you can't even get the system posted above to run this game well(it should) and that speaks volumes about how much you know!
I agree PCI express isn't there yet but it's coming whether you like it or not so it's something for people to think about when they plan a system with upgradeablity in mind.
But on a more personal note, most of us here are trying to help so your condescending BS isn't welcome. Have a nice night some place else!
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Originally posted by SVTdriver762:
And a note to the technological advisor on the board who said "It's not worth buying a 9800 because you can just buy a 9800 PRO for a little more and the performance increase is worth the extra money."
The only difference between a 9800 and a 9800PRO are the core/memory speeds, which, GUESS WHAT? You can simply change with a BIOS flash.
Not quite.  9800 Non-pro's, depending on the company, use lower quality memory which will not overclock that well. You seem to casually mention that overclockingor flasing bios will solve the problem. Not everyone I overclocks and flashes bios, I wouldn't want some of the 'computer' people I know overclocking, they would damage their equipment. Plus you can overclock the pro version, which almost guerentee's you will have higher end memory that will run a faster overclock. Spend the extra money. Also, I don't see how you can get crappy framerates with your system, unless you are trying to run something like 1600x1200 8xAA.
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I run a athlon xp 3000+ wiht 512 of pc2700 and the ati radeon 9600 xt(it outdoes the cheap 9800's) and it runs in high detail just fine
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Originally posted by SVTdriver762:
Well, do a little experiment: if you have an AGP 8X card, go into your BIOS and change your video card setting down to 4x. Don't worry, it'll work. Reboot the system, and run some benchmarks. Change your system back to 8X AGP and run the same benchmark. You'll notice little to absolutely no performance gain.
No performance gain? Well not quite. Using 3Dmark03 with 4x I scored 4000 points. And with 8x I scored 6223. Frame rates and fill rates were also down 30-40% on all tests.
But I do agree with you about people jumping on the high tech bandwagon. Hardware technology is so much further ahead of software technology its kind of pointless to buy top of the line stuff right away. Unless your doing high end graphics or video your not going to fully use the new stuff just coming out. Not to mention it always more expensive when it first comes out.
I recommend the MSI 9800Pro 128mb card. Thats the one I'm using. The MSI cards have the same chip as the 9800XT. When I put the card in my computer windows recognized it as an XT without flashing the BIOS. The Sapphire cards also use the XT chip. Some video card makers just use the standard pro chip. IMO the 256mb card is way over priced for what you get. I'm talking about the 9800Pro 256 card. In some of the benchmarks I saw it was only 2-3fps more than the 128 card. Sometimes the 128mb card was better. Not really worth the extra $100 if you ask me. I would stay away from the 9800SE. Its a very stripped down pro card. Its equal to the 9600XT. With the ATI X800 out now the 9800 pro is dropping in price quick. And it will still last you for quite a while.
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Originally posted by SVTdriver762:
I have a P4 3.5GHz with 1GB of PC4000 RAM and an ATI 9800XT with the 875P chipset, and I still don't manage great framerates in DooM3.
I'm just currious what you concider "great framerates" and at what settings because my CPU is much slower and I have half your ram but the same vid card at at 1024x768 high quality I am averaging 60-65 FPS. Too many people are used to getting 100+ fps in quakeIII and are too obcessed with synthetic benches that dont reflect true gameplay these days. If you want to play at 1600x1200 Ultra Quality then get a GeForce 6800 GT or Ultra of an X800XT-PE. Otherwise take your 60+ FPS "which I'm sure you have" as you put it and have fun playing the game.
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Originally posted by SVTdriver762:
First of all, if you're going to upgrade you might want to think about getting something a little better than an AMD 2400+. That's not much of a step up from the 1700+. And if you had a decent motherboard, which I'm sure you don't, you'd be able to overclock your 1700+ close to 2400+ speeds. Aside from that, if you're hoping to play DooM3 at anywhere near an acceptable frame rate you better return that POS 2400+, and save for a couple more months. I don't know if you've been paying attention or not, but the technology DooM3 is running CG-style state of the art graphics. There aren't any video cards on the market for $150 worth purchasing. ESPECIALLY if you want to run DooM3.
I have a P4 3.5GHz with 1GB of PC4000 RAM and an ATI 9800XT with the 875P chipset, and I still don't manage great framerates in DooM3.
Since you're obviously too "busy" to do any research on your own, lemme give you MAP OUT a system for you that would run DooM3 nicely.
P4 3GHz+ CPU, Motherboard with 875p chipset, 1-1.5GB or RAM, and an NVidia 6800GT/ATI Radeon X800PRO.
And a note to the technological advisor on the board who said "It's not worth buying a 9800 because you can just buy a 9800 PRO for a little more and the performance increase is worth the extra money."
The only difference between a 9800 and a 9800PRO are the core/memory speeds, which, GUESS WHAT? You can simply change with a BIOS flash.
There are some differences between certain 9800's. Some are 128MB, some are 256MB. You have to pay attention.
Good luck.
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Disclaimer: I let my friend post this.
haha, your friend is so geeky, yet not as geeky as I used to be, in fact, the computer i'm upgrading is near 2 years old and watercooled, back when watercooling was 1337 at the lan parties, back before you could buy a pre-modded case, back when a neon light was like $60.
That blue around the front intake fans are just the tops of plastic bowls 
You can even see the Compaq I modded for a friend to the right.
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