im trying to decide weither to get an evo or the sti, i wouldnt be getting the o6 because i think its ulgy as hell so the 05 sti and 06 evo, ive heard great things about both and really only heard bad things about the evo, really just that you have to replace the tires right away and the clutch 2, also i heard the had problems with crank walk, but lets hear what you guys have to say
I'm biased first off. Evo has no crankwalk issues that I know of. That was 2nd gen DSMs that did. Evo clutch fails because of abuse. The car believe it or not wasn't meant to be launched at 6krpm drag racing over and over again. Neither car is a drag racing car. The tires wear because they are soft compound, the STI tires will wear just as quickly. EVO takes to mods nicely and is a lot cheaper to mod than the STI. I agree with the statement I've heard that the STI is a highly tuned road car and the EVO is a race car. The STI is nicer on the inside and the 2.5L tourque is nice but I ride in my friends STI all the time and I drive my EVO everyday, I would never give up my EVO for a STI. ANd yes I'm on my second clutch, the front rotors are warped, and it makes a ton of funny noises. I still love it. EVO all the way.
Pick based on looks. Everything else is close enough that it doesn't really matter. Like BStoneMega said, the only problem the Evo has is its abused. Do the same to an STi and it'll eventually turn up the same result. The '06 Evo did have a handful of nice upgrades from the previous years model. Some technical things that gives it a slightly fatter torque curve and some other goodies. In this months issue of one of the major auto magazines (don't remember which ironically..) they do an Evo vs. STI test. They come out with the STI on top, but just because its now cheaper than a new Evo.
Every vehicle test i've read comparing the two the STi always comes out on top.
Every comparison I read puts them about the same.
For me, I'd buy the evo if I really wanted to do some modding.
I'd buy the sti (not 06) for looks and interior.
I think you know my answer....Look at sig.
All i want to do for me is get a WRX and put on a full coilover rally suspension and actually use it, screw slamming it, i wanna do what it's made to do, rally.
I was at a mitsu dealership the other day and they had one of the new MR edition Evo's on the lot. Pretty sweet ride though I was a bit surprised at the 36K sticker price.
I love my STi and like the interior a lot better than the Evo, which is basically what swayed me to the STi instead of the Evo. I also love the boxer rumble, and there's also less STi's on the road than Evo's (at least in my area), so that's also a big plus. The only way I would get an Evo over the STi would be if I got a MR, but I think that those are overpriced.
Originally posted by RyeLou:
In this months issue of one of the major auto magazines (don't remember which ironically..) they do an Evo vs. STI test. They come out with the STI on top, but just because its now cheaper than a new Evo.
Read thst also. It was Motor Trend. Being that they are pretty much equal in performance, id go witht he STI.
the sti allows you to control the power between the front and rear, does the evo do this as well?
its a tough choice for me. i like the aggressive looks of the evo better but i would feel more comfortable investing in a subie then a mitsu.
mazdaspeed 6
STI, Mitsu isn't exactly known for building reliable cars.
Originally posted by Pete D:
STI, Mitsu isn't exactly known for building reliable cars.
The 4g63 is pretty reliable. From what I've seen, both cars have some tranny problems (which both boil down to abuse), with neither being much better than the other.
I have always had a love for the STI (maybe its the 300 hp stock on a four cylinder that I like.) The new STI looks OK, but it may be better to get since Subaru has probly made some adjustments to the engine and other whatnot parts of the car other than the looks. If you can wait, you might be intrested in the Evo 9 in the near future.
I wish I was in your shoes!
-KJ
Get the STI, the EVO interior is really crappy. Most magazine comparisons have them really close to each other...performance wise they are about the same. STI also has that extra .5 liters! Boxer engines are cooler!
Originally posted by Kerry2Kool4U:
I have always had a love for the STI (maybe its the 300 hp stock on a four cylinder that I like.) The new STI looks OK, but it may be better to get since Subaru has probly made some adjustments to the engine and other whatnot parts of the car other than the looks. If you can wait, you might be intrested in the Evo 9 in the near future.
I wish I was in your shoes!
-KJ
No waiting for the 9 it's here! Not much diferent than the Evo 8. Major difference is the Mivec 4g63. Basically VVT on the good ole 4g63. If one is going to wait for a Evo it will be the Evo X. I will be purchasing one, from what I see it is going to have a 6 speed clutchless gearbox w/ paddle shifter and mitsubishi is finally updating the interior! Oh yeah!
exactly what bstone said, wait for the X or get the sti now.
Buy now, the EVO X is ugly as hell.
If you were picking between the 06 STI and the 06 evo then i wouldnt be able to help you because they're both perfect. But since you'd want the 05 STI (big mistake.... the 06 is so nice), then go for the evo.
subaru hasnt done anything new to the 06 performance wise that i know of, does anyone what they have done other than asthetics?
but why STi or EVO?? are these the only fast cars left? ok ok I know they are AWD but still?!? is it just me or if I'm gonna buy a fast car, I'd want it RWD?
maybe it is a personal preferance..
but seriously, the money I'll spend on a new STi or EVO, I'd buy a used 350Z and twin turbo it and still be cheaper then the STi and EVO..
but thats just me..personal preference
I've seen waaay too many EVO's and STi's around now..kinda gettin old IMHO..but I still envy them..
I'll sell you my wrx wagon...it's way cheaper than an STi and it has a couple mods already.
Evo's look so sick....in a good way.
id like to get a 350z and twin turbo it, but try driving that in the winter
that would be fun talk about drifting, this car will be a daily driver just like my contour but i cant drive the contour in the winter so i store it , and buy a winter beater, this way ill be able to drive either the evo or sti in the winter and have no worries, i mean i was looking at the new mustang also for the price its not bad and i would like a rwd car, but it has to drive in the winter since i have to have insurance on both of my cars. and i not going to heavily mod the car off the start , there both very quick stock and want to break the engine in before i would do anything, i mean a turbo timer, boost controller ,safc not really anything crazy . but i think right now there 50/50 on the EVO vs. STI i still dont know what im going to do. but either way it looks like im going to like it.
I believe 2008 is when the new STI is due.... hopefully better looking than the 2006
Originally posted by SvtEdwardo420:
subaru hasnt done anything new to the 06 performance wise that i know of, does anyone what they have done other than asthetics?
Well the WRX gets the 2.5 ... but if we're talking straight up STI Diferences:
Torque split is now defaulted at 49/51 vs 35/65
Mechanical limited-slip differential
Steering angle sensor added to the Driver Controlled Center Diff.
Roof vane spoiler and rear diffuser
nobody likes my idea of MS6?
Originally posted by Toadster:
nobody likes my idea of MS6?
Oh yeah i forgot about that! Thats AWD too... I love the design of the 6... How much HP is the turbo 4 putting out?
I'd wait until the Dodge Rebel(caliber sedan) comes out. Evo AWD+SRT-4 powertrain=cheap Evo w/out econocar looks.
Originally posted by guitarman19853:
Originally posted by Toadster:
nobody likes my idea of MS6?
Oh yeah i forgot about that! Thats AWD too... I love the design of the 6... How much HP is the turbo 4 putting out?
For the money i rather get a used evo and walk that thing all day long. They only do 60 in like 6.5 sec. not worth the 28k asking price.
Originally posted by MadMerc97:
I'd wait until the Dodge Rebel(caliber sedan) comes out. Evo AWD+SRT-4 powertrain=cheap Evo w/out econocar looks.
But would this car be a reality now, after DC sold their stake in Mitsu last week, and have stated there will be no more collaberation?
If DC did an AWD Caliber, it would more likely now use a Hyundai AWD system.
Originally posted by TheAlmightyMe:
Originally posted by MadMerc97:
I'd wait until the Dodge Rebel(caliber sedan) comes out. Evo AWD+SRT-4 powertrain=cheap Evo w/out econocar looks.
But would this car be a reality now, after DC sold their stake in Mitsu last week, and have stated there will be no more collaberation?
If DC did an AWD Caliber, it would more likely now use a Hyundai AWD system.
No. DC will continue with all current parts sharing projects with Mitsubishi as before. The selling of the stake in stock will not have an effect on the partnership contract that DC had with Hyundai and Mitsubishi. After all current plans with Mitsu are done, however, that's it. It's done. Mitsu can then go die in the pit it came from. Although I hear that Mitsubishis other industrial interests are trying to support the automaker. Interesting...
-The new IX has a better interior than the previous gen VIII Evo's and takes to tuning a lot better than the Sti for LESS money.
-MIVEC is not like VTEC or anything else, it's intake side variable only, but takes to tuning a lot better than NON-MIVEC VIII's.
-The Sti is ugly, but the tranny holds up better to launches and you won't get it voided because of abuse like you would in an EVO.
-The Sti is a knife, the EVO a scalpel.
-They make the SAME power when dynoed, about 250awhp, so power wise, they're virtually the same.
-It's a question of handling and interior.
-FYI, the recaro's in the EVO are FAR more comfortable than the STI seats, your back will hurt in them, Sti's are notorious for that.
-Go with that looks better to you, because in terms of performance, they're virtually matched, the EVO is just easier to drive faster.
-Goonz-a twin turbo G35 or 350Z will still be slower than an EVO or STi stock, SPEED did a comparo and the numbers don't look too hot at all for the turbo charged 350's. . .
-the MSP6 is A LOT more expensive than any of those cars, and siginificantly slower. . .the Sti is uglier this year though, so my nod goes for the Evo. . .
Originally posted by ssmumich00:
-The new IX has a better interior than the previous gen VIII Evo's and takes to tuning a lot better than the Sti for LESS money.
-MIVEC is not like VTEC or anything else, it's intake side variable only, but takes to tuning a lot better than NON-MIVEC VIII's.
-The Sti is ugly, but the tranny holds up better to launches and you won't get it voided because of abuse like you would in an EVO.
-The Sti is a knife, the EVO a scalpel.
-They make the SAME power when dynoed, about 250awhp, so power wise, they're virtually the same.
-It's a question of handling and interior.
-FYI, the recaro's in the EVO are FAR more comfortable than the STI seats, your back will hurt in them, Sti's are notorious for that.
-Go with that looks better to you, because in terms of performance, they're virtually matched, the EVO is just easier to drive faster.
-Goonz-a twin turbo G35 or 350Z will still be slower than an EVO or STi stock, SPEED did a comparo and the numbers don't look too hot at all for the turbo charged 350's. . .
-the MSP6 is A LOT more expensive than any of those cars, and siginificantly slower. . .the Sti is uglier this year though, so my nod goes for the Evo. . .
Couldnt agree more^ I drove both on the dragon and the evo takes the cake. Subis are a dime a dozen anyways.
The STi is a better handler. According to Motor Trend "You can grab it by the scruff of its neck and throw it around, and it'll reward you with heroic deeds." And, "More fun than the Evo; tossable and a more rewarding drive." It's also cheaper. AND, Subaru has a great warranty program. Mitsubishi may not be in buisiness long, and has always had the worst support in the buisiness. Yes, the Evo is a great car, and is much less common, but did you ever think that there might be a reason more people buy Subies?
Going once... Going twice...
The straight EVO VIII was SCC car of the year two years straight, Automobile magazine car of the year, and Top ten cars judged by playboy. There might be a reason for that?
Edit, check this out:
Top ten fastest 2K5
That's impressive.
Originally posted by Auto-X Fil:
The STi is a better handler. According to Motor Trend "You can grab it by the scruff of its neck and throw it around, and it'll reward you with heroic deeds." And, "More fun than the Evo; tossable and a more rewarding drive." It's also cheaper. AND, Subaru has a great warranty program. Mitsubishi may not be in buisiness long, and has always had the worst support in the buisiness. Yes, the Evo is a great car, and is much less common, but did you ever think that there might be a reason more people buy Subies?
Going once...
Going twice...
Not by much......STI is like .93 lateral G and the Evo is .92 lateral G.
I have done my research and for the most part with proper maintainence the EVO is damn reliable car. Just the fact you can gain over 20 WHP with an exhaust and another 20 WHP with a reflached ECU on the EVO wins it for me. All I gotta say is don't knock it until you have driven one.
Lateral Gs mean jack. It's all about the tires. Handling is a very different thing from lateral grip. The Evo is an awesome car, there is nothing wrong with it. BUT, Mitsu is in a bad way, and has lousy service. They lied about defect to not do recalls. If there was no STi, then the Evo would be great: but the STi is damn close to the same thing, but from a reliable manufacturer. It's not the CAR's reliability I'm concerned about, I'm worried about the maufacturer's ability and willingness to fix things that do go wrong. I see nothing about the Evo that makes it any better than the STi, and certainly not enough better to justify the higher price and take the risk of buying from a company on very shaky ground.
No, most of you guys are smoking the pipe. The EVO is consistently considered the better handling car since it debuted by magazines. I've been reading the reviews for years. The evo has the active yaw control or in the RS model it basically uses to LSD's.
I looked at the STi and it always looks like a chicks car. And that isn't taking into account their 'pink' emblem either.
The EVO interior is about on par with the STi. However, the EVO looks more like a race car overall than the STi.
I'm not sure about the performance of the 06 models but the evo has been beating the STi in the 1/4 mile comparisons too.
Can't say I'd find one more reliable over the other either considering how many of both I've seen in the Deepstage shop. Seems to me that the evo is actually more reliable than the STi when both are subjected to a lot of abuse. This is just a small sampling from the central texas area, but hey, its an observation and that is what you are asking for.
In the end, drive both and pick the one YOU like. They are both fine cars, even for the money. Actually, the EVO RS model smokes all of them for performance and price but you really sacrifice the creature comforts. That was what I wanted to buy but the wife had more of a say in it than I thought.
We ended up buying the '05 Volvo S40 with the T5 all wheel drive options.
LOVE this car. WAY better styling and build quality than the above mentioned cars. Less power, Turbo 5 cylinder only puts out 220 HP but that's because they have the boost low with a small turbo. It won't take much to correct that problem and then it is a very sweet ride.
Oh yeah, they both drive nice by the way and I didn't push either to the limits. However my nod goes to the evo after that.
Originally posted by Goonz SVT:
but why STi or EVO?? are these the only fast cars left? ok ok I know they are AWD but still?!? is it just me or if I'm gonna buy a fast car, I'd want it RWD? maybe it is a personal preferance..
but seriously, the money I'll spend on a new STi or EVO, I'd buy a used 350Z and twin turbo it and still be cheaper then the STi and EVO..
but thats just me..personal preference
350z with twins cheaper....Not really. EVO RS is only 28K. Regular EVO is only 30K. With the money and effort going into twin turbos on the car...with tuning, the car will not be cheaper at all.
Also, the all wheel drive car is exceptional for traction and handling, IF its designed to race.
Originally posted by Auto-X Fil:
The STi is a better handler. According to Motor Trend "You can grab it by the scruff of its neck and throw it around, and it'll reward you with heroic deeds." And, "More fun than the Evo; tossable and a more rewarding drive." It's also cheaper. AND, Subaru has a great warranty program. Mitsubishi may not be in buisiness long, and has always had the worst support in the buisiness. Yes, the Evo is a great car, and is much less common, but did you ever think that there might be a reason more people buy Subies?
Going once...
Going twice...
MOTOR TREND??? They're a bunch of jokes unless you're talking about stock or V8 powered pushrod motors. I read it for years and finally gave up on them.
Read Sport Compact Car, OR Road and Track. The European car mags are good too.
That is such a bogus statement...more tossable and enjoyable. I really hate car mag writers use of words.
This probably means that it had more of a safety margin designed into the car...less likely to kill themselves. 
Originally posted by warmonger:
We ended up buying the '05 Volvo S40 with the T5 all wheel drive options.
LOVE this car. WAY better styling and build quality than the above mentioned cars. Less power, Turbo 5 cylinder only puts out 220 HP but that's because they have the boost low with a small turbo. It won't take much to correct that problem and then it is a very sweet ride.
I dont agree - I think id rather have a new 06 STi!
Anyway - you ARE going to explore options for the T5 arnt you? there are a LOT of ways to get MAD power out of one!
Originally posted by guitarman19853:
Originally posted by Toadster:
nobody likes my idea of MS6?
Oh yeah i forgot about that! Thats AWD too... I love the design of the 6... How much HP is the turbo 4 putting out?
274HP 2.3L which can be tweaked to hell and back
ok i set up a test drive with an evo , comes to find out one of my buddys friend has a evo so im going to do that tonight when i get outta class. ive already driven an 06 sti, so ill be able to determine which way im going later tonight. but i think either way i should be good
Originally posted by Horse:
Originally posted by warmonger:
We ended up buying the '05 Volvo S40 with the T5 all wheel drive options.
LOVE this car. WAY better styling and build quality than the above mentioned cars. Less power, Turbo 5 cylinder only puts out 220 HP but that's because they have the boost low with a small turbo. It won't take much to correct that problem and then it is a very sweet ride.
I dont agree - I think id rather have a new 06 STi!
Anyway - you ARE going to explore options for the T5 arnt you? there are a LOT of ways to get MAD power out of one!
You KNOW it! I'm waiting for the first 1 year or 12K miles for a good break in and of course to stop fuggin with my SVT. I sink too much cash into that thing!
With the S40 I'm going to get a better clutch and upgrade to a better/larger turbo. Then I'm going to run it at 14psi and call it good. With the correct turbo at 14psi and basic exhaust mods the car will probably pull over 300 HP and close to 300 at the wheels.
I guess I better get my butt in gear with my S60R so I can run with you Warmonger.
Originally posted by warmonger:
MOTOR TREND???
I know. I keep getting it even though I quit paying, and I don't feel like calling to cancel a free thing. But it does suck, and I often disagree with them, so I'll accept that the Evo may be a more hardcore sports car. BUT, I still wouldn't buy the Mitsu just because the company is so shaky.
Don't worry. Your R is a much better starting platform.
What a nice ride. I should have looked into getting one, it wasn't the price that was the issue, it's my only car payment. I just really like the look and the handling of the smaller car but I liked all the racey hardware of the 60R.
I'll be looking into getting the S60 hardware to bolt on to my S40, like the clutch and any other little goodies like that. THe turbo stuff I'm going to do myself though.
