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Posted By: Goonz SVT HowTo Mounting Hella Fogs - 01/25/05 09:21 PM
well, I did it, and this is what it all is (you guys should pick what this mod should be called)

This is what u need

1 - stock mounting brackets (along with each and every screw that was taken out)

2 - Hella 2500 Optilux (duh)

3 - 3/8 machine screws (2 of them) and hex nuts that will fit them (2 of them too)

4 - regular tools etc

5 - about 30min work, it took me 15min

Here are all the pics and instructions along

JUST A REMINDER;
YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO TAKE THE STOCK FOG LIGHTS ALONG WITH THE ASSEMBLY OUT BY YOURSELF, LET ME TELL YOU, THEY ARE A BIIIIG PITA!!!

This is what I did though briefly, I jacked the front end up so I could easily work under the car. I just unscrewed the adjuster screw for the fogs until the screw just came out, that made the spring lose as well so I took the spring out, that made the fog lights loose and I could move them up and down freely. The Fog Lights are held on to the bracket by these round things on the side of it that snap into the bracket, here is the picture (its not good but better than nothing)


notice on the side the round thing snapped into the bracket, well u gotta somehow take that off and get the fog lights out. when thats done then the brackets are held onto the bumper with 2 screws, one on the top of the bracket and the other right where u take the foglights off (its at a cery bad angle, you'll see it. Good Luck (PLEASE DO THIS AT YOUR OWN RISK, WHAT I SAID HERE IS JUST THE WAY I DID IT, IF YOU BREAK SOMTHING, DONT SUE ME



INSTALLATION OF THE HELLLA'S


Get the stock brackets and take the bottom place out (don't destroy those rubber lock screws (you'll end up like me)

this is what i should look like then (with the rubber lock screws)



I then took the big piece of the bracket where the fog goes in and alligned the hole where the previous stock fog lights adjuster screw went through with the hole on the Hella's fog light. Here some picture







as u can see I used the 3/8 screw along with the hex nut to secure the fog light assembly onto the stock bracket. Make sure its tight, dont want to have the lights moving up and down if you hit a curb. this is what it should all look like





Now if you want you can use the second hole on Hella fog light and drill through it alligned with the stock bracket and use alittle longer screws and a nut to insure totall securement onto the bracket (if u want that is, I didnt, hopefully it wont come back to haunt me )

ok now you hafta put the bottom plate of the bracket back on using the rubber lock screw that hopefully you saved, I didn't and I had to get new oned for one bracket though, the other one I saved, here are more pics










well in the end it should all look like this







Then you go back to your car and use the same screws and held the bracket together with the bumper and put everything back on, do the wiring that I have no clue about how to do, my friend is gonna do it for me.


Hopefully this is helpfull, you have any questions PM me and please, do this at your own risk, if anything happens or u break somthing, done blame it one me, thanks

GOOD LUCK!!



Posted By: scottd60_dup1 Re: HowTo Mounting Hella Fogs - 01/25/05 10:42 PM
Very nice job...I bent up a new bracket out of aluminum that works fine but this is actually a easier and cleaner install. Do you still have the factory adjustment ? My plan was to modify the factory brackets to retain the adjustment feature later this Spring.

At 1st I didn't want to cut the factory wires but have since changed my mind. I want to have the lights come on with the factory fog light switch and the angel eyes with a separate lighted switch. This way I will not forget they are on and kill my battery. You should be able to splice them into the factory wires, I'm also 99% sure you don't need to use the relay. You also probably don't need the fuse either but it wouldn't hurt to add it in. If you use the angel eyes wire them separately to a simple lighted SPST toggle switch, you can get it from Radio Shack for a couple of bucks.
Posted By: BrApple_dup1 Re: HowTo Mounting Hella Fogs - 01/25/05 10:43 PM
Originally posted by scottd60:
... I want to have the lights come on with the factory fog light switch and the angel eyes with a separate lighted switch. This way I will not forget they are on and kill my battery. ...




just connect the power to a ignition controlled source and you will not have to worry
Posted By: scottd60_dup1 Re: HowTo Mounting Hella Fogs - 01/26/05 12:43 AM
Originally posted by brapple:
Originally posted by scottd60:
... I want to have the lights come on with the factory fog light switch and the angel eyes with a separate lighted switch. This way I will not forget they are on and kill my battery. ...




just connect the power to a ignition controlled source and you will not have to worry




Yeah...I know about that, I just want to keep the fogs switched through the factory switch to keep the install as stock and clean as possible. Not too worried about the angel eye's they could run for a month and not kill the battery but a lighted switch would remind me they are on.
Posted By: weasel Re: HowTo Mounting Hella Fogs - 01/26/05 02:42 AM
GoonzSVT: Nice job. My projectors and FF75's came in. With my Jetta being a bit cranky lately, I haven't had a chance to even think about lights on the Mystique. I hope that the lights I got will mount in a similar fashion to yours. I can't wait to be able to see down the road ...
Posted By: Goonz SVT Re: HowTo Mounting Hella Fogs - 01/26/05 02:50 AM
Originally posted by weasel:
GoonzSVT: Nice job. My projectors and FF75's came in. With my Jetta being a bit cranky lately, I haven't had a chance to even think about lights on the Mystique. I hope that the lights I got will mount in a similar fashion to yours. I can't wait to be able to see down the road ...




hopefully Spring Break I'll start the projector mods and post the same how to pictures, although results may vary but we'll see what happens. I'll take more pictures of the fogs in action looking into the street
Posted By: DopePope Re: HowTo Mounting Hella Fogs - 01/26/05 06:34 AM
When I do this I think ill have the angel eyes go on with the parking lights...not sure
Posted By: carraudio Re: HowTo Mounting Hella Fogs - 01/26/05 04:21 PM
Originally posted by DopePope:
When I do this I think ill have the angel eyes go on with the parking lights...not sure




I saw these lights about a week before the frist ones had shown up here but I was going to wait until I hab my PRe98 SVT body kit done before I did it. I was thinking a bout putting the on with the park lights. I did a mod like that for my Taurus fog lights here is how it would work. You just hook up this relay...
Posted By: RawBurt Re: HowTo Mounting Hella Fogs - 01/26/05 04:28 PM
When do we get to see the finished product?
Posted By: CSVT1214 Re: HowTo Mounting Hella Fogs - 01/26/05 04:42 PM
Originally posted by RawBurt:
When do we get to see the finished product?




Someone already has them finished.

Clicky
Posted By: CSVT1214 Re: HowTo Mounting Hella Fogs - 01/26/05 04:50 PM
BTW Goonz, the how-to is great. I plan on doing mine just like that. Thanks
Posted By: Goonz SVT Re: HowTo Mounting Hella Fogs - 01/26/05 04:59 PM
Originally posted by CSVT1214:
BTW Goonz, the how-to is great. I plan on doing mine just like that. Thanks




thanks guys, I really appreciate it
Posted By: RawBurt Re: HowTo Mounting Hella Fogs - 01/26/05 05:59 PM
Originally posted by CSVT1214:
Originally posted by RawBurt:
When do we get to see the finished product?




Someone already has them finished.

Clicky




Damn, i like those... I see a future mod. After the rims, K&N and maf adapter
Posted By: Goonz SVT Re: HowTo Mounting Hella Fogs - 01/27/05 06:35 PM
heres a picture of it mounted, sorry cause of the salt and dirty car, I'll take some more when the weather will let me

Posted By: Goonz SVT Re: HowTo Mounting Hella Fogs - 01/28/05 06:11 AM
Originally posted by Goonz SVT:








ok for this I would suggest you guys use washers, the nuts end up getting lose on the bottom plate as well as the connection between the fog and main bracket. You need it all to be secures otherwise all the agitation will losen up the nuts and god forbid you fogs pop out in the middle of traffic and they break..i don't want this to be my fault, so make sure u use washers or somthing that'll tighten it up and lock it my bad
Posted By: Goonz SVT Re: HowTo Mounting Hella Fogs - 01/28/05 07:08 PM
bad news..I spun out and hit a snow bank pretty hard everything is fine except for the driver side bracket. That broke and now that whole assemble is lose. Its soo flippin cold out to do anything or wiring, I'm just gonna wire my new speakers for the time
I want to do this mod to then intall HIDs on the Hellas, but I don't want to go through the mission and hazard of putting my head under a jacked up car (don't have jack stands) and risk making my head a waffle.

Does anybody know if the front bumper cover can come off easily? Thanks!

XL
Originally posted by durateX:
I want to do this mod to then intall HIDs on the Hellas, but I don't want to go through the mission and hazard of putting my head under a jacked up car (don't have jack stands) and risk making my head a waffle.

Does anybody know if the front bumper cover can come off easily? Thanks!

XL





just jack the front end of the car up, as for putting HID's in the hella's, I dont think that will happen, the fog light itself is vveeerry small and sealed very tightly, It would be extremely hard. I wanted to put in silverstar bulbs instead of the Hella's but it was utterly impossible due to the sealing ang the wiring.
Originally posted by Goonz SVT:
just jack the front end of the car up, as for putting HID's in the hella's, I dont think that will happen, the fog light itself is vveeerry small and sealed very tightly, It would be extremely hard. I wanted to put in silverstar bulbs instead of the Hella's but it was utterly impossible due to the sealing ang the wiring.




Well, I have confirmation that the stock fog lamp housings are deep enough to accept the HID bulbs, so should I just get brand new stock fog lamps (Tousley Ford has them in stock) for 40% off of list and install the HID in those?

XL
Originally posted by durateX:


Well, I have confirmation that the stock fog lamp housings are deep enough to accept the HID bulbs, so should I just get brand new stock fog lamps (Tousley Ford has them in stock) for 40% off of list and install the HID in those?

XL





The lens cover for the stock ones in plastic, I dont want the HID's to melt it right out
i gotta get my hands on new brackets...mine BOTH broke installing the pilots.
Originally posted by durateX:
Well, I have confirmation that the stock fog lamp housings are deep enough to accept the HID bulbs, so should I just get brand new stock fog lamps (Tousley Ford has them in stock) for 40% off of list and install the HID in those?




HID in fog lamps are going to create unnecessary glare. A foglamp was never meant to have amount of light, which would be a 350% increase in light output. Have you taken into consideration the heat HID puts out? Its it more or less then the 800 series bulbs that fit the foggies? IMHO, it would be a waste of money, time and parts. Speaking of which, you have the money to purchase a set of HID for the fogs but you dont have enough to go buy a set of $20 jackstands?
Originally posted by ExDelayed:
Have you taken into consideration the heat HID puts out? Its it more or less then the 800 series bulbs that fit the foggies?




HID's put out 35W while normal halogen bulbs use 55w. They also run about 40% cooler than halogens since the light is not produced by electricity traveling through a metal coil thus creating enough heat to make light. They instead create light by jumping an arc over two unconnected electrodes, and keeping it burning, much like an electric welder keeps contact with the metal being welded though jumping a spark to it and keeping it lit.

On top of all of this, I believe that our stock 893 model foglamp bulbs are 37.5 watts, so a 35watt HID bulb should be even more cooler than that.

Originally posted by ExDelayed:
IMHO, it would be a waste of money, time and parts. Speaking of which, you have the money to purchase a set of HID for the fogs but you dont have enough to go buy a set of $20 jackstands?




I didn't say I couldn't afford the stands at any moment, I just though it would be more comfortable and convenient to take my time and install the fogs with the bumper off. Also, if there would be any last minute alignment needed to do to them, it would be a breeze.

XL
Originally posted by durateX:
HID's put out 35W while normal halogen bulbs use 55w. They also run about 40% cooler than halogens since the light is not produced by electricity traveling through a metal coil thus creating enough heat to make light. They instead create light by jumping an arc over two unconnected electrodes, and keeping it burning, much like an electric welder keeps contact with the metal being welded though jumping a spark to it and keeping it lit.

On top of all of this, I believe that our stock 893 model foglamp bulbs are 37.5 watts, so a 35watt HID bulb should be even more cooler than that.




Originally posted by durateX:
On top of all of this, I believe that our stock 893 model foglamp bulbs are 37.5 watts, so a 35watt HID bulb should be even more cooler than that.




So it appears that you have done your homework... a little, and I applaud you for wanting to be different and having the desire to do something that, to my knowledge, no other CEGer, and no OEM manufacturer has ever done. But, have you taken into consideration the startup requirement for the ballasts? How much of a space do you need around the return wire on the bulb to prevent arcing? D2S or D2R? What is being used for shielding? What are you doing for wiring? What are you going to do about the yellow/green hue that always exits an HID bulb on its underside that will make the foggies have a green hue if it is not taken care of?

I fall into the catagory of one of the first few that installed HID onto their Contour, and one of the first (right up with Quicksilver and Josch, IIRC) to go for projectors. I am aware of the workings of the bulbs and the lamps that they work in. Some of the things you said just make me wonder how much you have researched this project. Saying that HID uses 35 watts where the stock foggies use 37.5 so the HID is be cooler is one of the things that makes me wonder.



This is an E-code projector which a few of us are running. Most of the projector equipped Contours are running the DOT version, but the readings will be similar, if not exact. This example is using an H7, but its D2S readings were the same. This is a very solidly built lamp, its magnesium and glass housing is going to be able to take heat better then the plastic foggies. It will spread it over the body of the lamp better, and with more surface area, will have a better chance to cool off. The 24�°C is going to be a warm spring day, but what about a hot summer day, stopped in traffic? Stock Contour foggies have melted in less then that. If airflow is not maintained at all times, the stock plastic foggie WILL MELT with anything more powerful then the stock bulb, this includes HID.

Now take into consideration the place where you are putting it. The stock foggies are not the most solidly mounted light, and are prone to their fair share of vibration. Vibration does harm a HID bulb. Granted even if its life is shortened 10%, its not going to be noticeable. What about not letting the bulb cool enough between cycles (foggies off when brights are on). Those bulbs in the foggies are constantly going to have to restrike while hot, which is also known to harm their lifespan.

I am not going to get into the beam pattern of the foggies, which is poor, even when new.

Originally posted by durateX:
I didn't say I couldn't afford the stands at any moment, I just though it would be more comfortable and convenient to take my time and install the fogs with the bumper off.




The last couple of sentences in my previous reply did come across wrong, and I am sorry for that. I am aware of the time required to aim custom lamps. Get them where you want them and then you just *need* to do something else to make them just right so the car comes back apart.

Finally, as a quick link to my reference, here you go. I can come up with others but I really do not want to dig anymore.
lol I never posted the finish product..stupid mee










there we go..
Posted By: MazTour Re: HowTo Mounting Hella Fogs - 09/29/05 03:35 AM
nice write up goonz. I have these same lights and I was able to install them in my '95 that did not have factory fog lights,meaning I had no brackets to work with.

I was able to mount mine with 2 bolts and 2 zip ties and they are quite sturdy,aimed well and look great. PITA to do,but easy once I figured out where to put them.

However,I'd recommend brackets.
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