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Posted By: zetec, md/do Zetec turbo ... - 08/05/05 01:39 AM
How many have this done and some pics of the bay if possible for our contour zetec ...
Posted By: ButtonPuncher_dup1 Re: Zetec turbo ... - 08/05/05 02:35 AM
So far 2. I will be #3.

There was a guy a few months back that did a Zetec turbo, but didn't have proper tuning and blew it up. 96mercury is still working on his. I am working on mine but have run out of cash.

Seawulf is the grandaddy of Turbo Zetecs. He has a turbo setup on his Mercury Cougar.

I've got a couple of pics of the first Turbo Contour guy's setup stashed somewhere. I'll see if I can dig them up for you.

BTW, a kit for a Zetec Focus will bolt up to the block but it pretty much ends there. The intercooler and plumbing won't fit/work and the engine management isn't compatible with our PCMs. It's pretty much a DIY job to put a turbo on a Zetec contour.

This is as far as I am right now...





HTH,
BP
Posted By: Loco4G63 Re: Zetec turbo ... - 08/05/05 02:54 AM
I like the zipties!
Posted By: zetec, md/do Re: Zetec turbo ... - 08/05/05 03:06 AM
That is a beautiful thing

How much has this run you so far?
Posted By: SleeperZ Re: Zetec turbo ... - 08/05/05 03:07 AM
Originally posted by LocoSCZ:
I like the zipties!




The right tool for the right job.
Posted By: Seawulf_dup1 Re: Zetec turbo ... - 08/05/05 04:02 AM
You'll need to double up on those zip ties or the heat will melt singles and the turbo will drop off.

I've spent around $5 grand since I started but it's been over a period of five years. I did a initial low boost kit pushing 5psi, using all junk yard parts and got 40hp and 50tq more for $800. All the work was done free by my dad, except for around $150 for welding and finishing the exhaust manifold.

This is the site with my pics for my setups.
http://www.axs4u.net/home/louiem/
Posted By: ButtonPuncher_dup1 Re: Zetec turbo ... - 08/05/05 04:13 AM
Originally posted by SleeperZ:
Originally posted by LocoSCZ:
I like the zipties!




The right tool for the right job.





Hell yeah! Panduit zip ties, the only way to go.


Let's see totals so far...

T3 Super60 water cooled $425
42# FRPP Flow Matched Injectors $125
Spearco 2-252 Intercooler $250

I still need...
Turbo flanges and adapters $150
SCT Pro Race Tuning Software $800
Wideband AFR guage/meter $300
Mustang GT MAF $125
Header Adapter and Downpipe plumbing $400 ??
J&S Safeguard Knock Sensor $475

So for the hardware, about $1500. Total with hardware and programming/guages/safety, about $3000. About the same as what you could get an aftermarket kit for another car. Not too bad for SVT power levels.

Seawulf thanks for the link. I've never seen pics of your setup before. BTW, who's the cutie? A GF that actually helps you mod you car?!?

BP
Posted By: Seawulf_dup1 Re: Zetec turbo ... - 08/05/05 11:04 AM
My dad's an high school auto shop teacher and he did the work, but he actually pawned off most of the grunt work onto his students and she was one of them. I've actually never met her and don't even know her name.
Posted By: ButtonPuncher_dup1 Re: Zetec turbo ... - 08/05/05 12:17 PM
Uh oh, high school girl.

LOL!

BTW, did you have any problems with having the bypass valve's output only inches from the MAF?

Thanks,
BP
Posted By: warmonger_dup1 Re: Zetec turbo ... - 08/06/05 12:59 PM
Looks good!

If my engine had that much room and was that easy to turbo I'd have done it back in 1999! How come there are almost no zetec turbos when you guys even have manifolds available?
Posted By: zetec, md/do Re: Zetec turbo ... - 08/06/05 03:30 PM
I dont even know where to start lol Where can I buy all this stuff?
Posted By: MapOfTaziFoSho Re: Zetec turbo ... - 08/06/05 08:00 PM
Originally posted by warmonger:
Looks good!

If my engine had that much room and was that easy to turbo I'd have done it back in 1999! How come there are almost no zetec turbos when you guys even have manifolds available?





Finances of those ppl buying a cheaper car. Those with the money bought SVT's.
Posted By: Seawulf_dup1 Re: Zetec turbo ... - 08/06/05 08:06 PM
I think the main reason there's not more Zetec Turbo's is because everybody who bought the Zetec Tour is broke and doesn't have the money to do a turbo. My Zetec Cougar was $3 grand cheaper than the V6 model, that's partially why I bought it. The only reason I could afford to do it is cause my dad did the work for free and put a few parts on his school budget.

Also the Tour isn't exactly a sporty seeming platform. Granted you have the SVT, but except for a few conisours, nobody knows what it is. Not enough Zetec Cougars were sold to make it a big market for turbos and again, the income of the owners is a factor.

Only the Focus had the market to support turbos or SC aftermarkets and that's where most of those boosted engines are found.


Time constraints is also a problem. When my dad first made my initial kit with zero experience it took him 7 weeks to finish it and the only reason he gave it back was cause I wanted my car back. Using my old engine he cut down his own build on his Focus to a weeks install time, but he spent a few months on and off prototyping it on the engine stand.

Basically, if you are a good welder or have access to some one who is who will do the work for free, that's the only way to do a cheap turbo install. That's the biggest hurdle stopping most people, because doing something custom like that takes a lot of welding, see this pic for an example:
http://www.axs4u.net/home/louiem/newturbo/newexhaust.jpg

That took me around 12 hrs to do, with me cutting straight pipe into angles and then doing test fittings then having one of my dad's students who was a decent welder to do the welding. As it was that cost me $40 vs $400 if I had taken it to a shop and paid someone to do it, with questionable fitting.
Posted By: ButtonPuncher_dup1 Re: Zetec turbo ... - 08/09/05 02:18 AM
Originally posted by Seawulf:
...everybody who bought the Zetec Tour is broke and doesn't have the money to do a turbo.




Bingo. My '88 Accord had developed a few massive problems and wasn't worth repairing. I found a great deal for a '96 Gl with 60k on the clock for $3k (it was 5 years old at the time). I new nothing about Contours when I bought it. I figured that it was a cheap holdover until my next car. I never expected it to turn out to be a nice little sleeper.

To the links...

Let's see totals so far...
T3 Super60 water cooled $425 - Andres Turbos on eBay
42# FRPP Flow Matched Injectors $125 - Focaljet Forums
Spearco 2-252 Intercooler $250 - Focaljet Forums

I still need...
Turbo flanges and adapters $150 - Custom/eBay/ATP Turbo
SCT Pro Race Tuning Software $800 - Modular Depot
Wideband AFR guage/meter $375 - Summit Racing
Mustang GT MAF $175 - fordpartsonline.com
Header Adapter and Downpipe plumbing $400 - Custom
J&S Safeguard Knock Sensor $475 - J&S

Some parts that I forgot on the original list...
Stock '00 Focus Header $50 - eBay
Aeromotive Fuel Pressure Regulator $114 - Summit
255lph Walboro Fuel Pump $130 - Summit
SVT Radiator $200 - fordpartsonline
B&M Transmission Cooler $50 - Summit
Earl's Oil Cooler/Heat Exchanger $300 - Summit
Ford Lightning IC Pump $? - Still Looking

I realize that the Foclajet Forums aren't a definite, but those parts pop up somewhat regularly. I also realize that I forgot quite a few things. Please keep in mind that most of these aren't required parts. They are just ones that I'm using for better performance/insurance/safety. I'm also going to be re-using a bunch of these parts on my big-boost Zetec buildup.

HTH,
BP
Posted By: ButtonPuncher_dup1 Re: Zetec turbo ... - 08/09/05 02:26 AM
Originally posted by warmonger:
Looks good!

If my engine had that much room and was that easy to turbo I'd have done it back in 1999! How come there are almost no zetec turbos when you guys even have manifolds available?





You wouldn't believe the room after getting rid of the AC as well. It is AWESOME!


Unfortunately there aren't any turbo manifolds available. Everbody so far has just modified a stock '00 Focus Manifold. It is a nice tubular stainless steel manifold. (Not the shiny 304 stainless, but 409.)


BP
Posted By: Seawulf_dup1 Re: Zetec turbo ... - 08/09/05 07:21 AM
There are turbo manifolds avaliable, one of the guys on my cougar forums did a custom turbo on his Zetec with a manifold he ordered online, but it costs like $300+ vs $50 for a stock Focus manifold with another few bucks for a adapter plate. My log manifold we made from scratch cost around $250 with parts and some labor. A stock Focus manifold has done 300whp so it's good enough and if I had to do it over, I'd have probably gone that route, and my dad used the stock Focus manifold on his custom turbo setup.
Posted By: ButtonPuncher_dup1 Re: Zetec turbo ... - 08/09/05 12:42 PM
Originally posted by Seawulf:
There are turbo manifolds avaliable, one of the guys on my cougar forums did a custom turbo on his Zetec with a manifold he ordered online, but it costs like $300+ vs $50 for a stock Focus manifold with another few bucks for a adapter plate.




Really? I thought that they were still kind of DIY. The one that I'm thinking of included a head flange with the weld-el stuff already on there. You still had to cut a hole in it and weld on the turbo flange.

BP
Posted By: Seawulf_dup1 Re: Zetec turbo ... - 08/09/05 06:28 PM
Well yeah. Because different setups have different hardware, you'd need to have the flange separate so you can fit it properly. The other Cougar guy got his manifold like that, one that was a log style totally welded except for the turbo flange so he could do the final fitting himself then he welded the flange himself.
Posted By: Swazo Re: Zetec turbo ... - 08/09/05 07:11 PM
Originally posted by ButtonPuncher:

SCT Pro Race Tuning Software $800 - Modular Depot




After dealing with Modular Depot and spending over $1K with them, I would hands down say...

DO NOT GO THROUGH THEM!!!!!!!!! I will never buy anything from them, ever again. Their customer service sucks so freakin bad! Even when I wanted to set up a group buy for 15-20 PRP's, they acted like it wasn't worth their time and didn't want to give much of a discount at all. There are many more SCT dealers to go through to buy the PRP, maybe even ADC would do a GB for them.

Sorry to get off topic, but Modular Depot sucks that bad!
Posted By: ButtonPuncher_dup1 Re: Zetec turbo ... - 08/09/05 08:47 PM
Yikes! That's good to know.

Are there any other SCT dealers that offer the PRP with the data logger for $800?
Posted By: warmonger_dup1 Re: Zetec turbo ... - 08/10/05 12:52 AM
Originally posted by Swazo:
Originally posted by ButtonPuncher:

SCT Pro Race Tuning Software $800 - Modular Depot




After dealing with Modular Depot and spending over $1K with them, I would hands down say...

DO NOT GO THROUGH THEM!!!!!!!!! I will never buy anything from them, ever again. Their customer service sucks so freakin bad! Even when I wanted to set up a group buy for 15-20 PRP's, they acted like it wasn't worth their time and didn't want to give much of a discount at all. There are many more SCT dealers to go through to buy the PRP, maybe even ADC would do a GB for them.

Sorry to get off topic, but Modular Depot sucks that bad!




Well that is good to know! Now, how about a comprehensive review of the SCT Racer package? How much can you really change? What is your pcm code?

I have and SFG2 return style and I was ready to buy from Wayne at Hypillauto a while back but that sort of fell through. Now I'm looking at another company and I want to make sure I'll have no issues when the first code is programmed into it.
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