It's the same route that I have taken as welll ... might want to follow the thread in my signature. It's a hell of a long read, but full of good information!

read it, actually posted in it . I am refering too an auto, that has a manual.

as far as the turbo goes it was a last minute brainstorm ... i as just looking to see how hard it really would be. I am planning on getting the taurus engine, and setting up the full long block in my garage over a period of time. at the end, when i feel its all setup and ready to go, i will then drop it in. I pretty much would like everything to be on it, fitted, and ready to go before I even begin removing my engine. As far as the tranny goes, i'd like to see how far it can go stock, with tranny coolers and the such on it. Because of the way the 3L is set up, i'm not expecting to have a major jump off the line, there for i'm not too worried about the axles or tranny. Yes, it will have more torque then the stock 2.5, but its the same exact tranny as whats on the escape (the same power the taurus shows). Ontop of that, a turbo won't push high torque right away either. And as far as the turbo goes, I am not looking for a high powered OMG let me blow every cougar/contour/ricer away turbo. I'm talking about a small psi, maybe 5-8 psi, just to get me moving along a little faster then stock. Also, the coug. has a lot of cosmetic work in it, and i love showing it off. A nice addition of a turbo would be nice, considering the cougar has no go whats so ever. I was told if I stay under 300wHP I shouldn't have a problem, as long as i'm tuned right.

My question in the FI section was on the order of the turbo, as i was reading multiple websites that explained what each piece was and how it functioned. But nonetheless, none of the sites showed a diagram for me to understand the exact order it was in, or how for instance the bypass valve returned the pressurized air into the inlet (yes by pipe, but I mean exactly where does it circulate it to).

Thank you rickson, for understanding that i'm just trying to learn. Yes, I am young and yes unless I feel I can do this project I am not going to even begin it. Turbo? Without months or even a year of research, I wouldn't even think of beginning the project. Same with the 3L, and as stated, you guys seem to have a lot more info over here on CEG than NECO, by far!

Thanks again, and yes i'll be ignoring any comments until I can find my way around over here a little better. For you guys, especially the ones who have been here for years, you guys know exactly where to find everything. I can tell you over on NECO what is there ... what LED how to, or UIM cleaning how to, etc. but I bet if you guys went over there and tried finding it, it might take some time.

oh, and when and if the tranny blew ... i'd probably swap in an mtx. Yes, I did research that ... haha

Why wait for the tranny to blow? Just swap in the MTX then, I mean if you can afford all of this, though I'd be weary of this. Oh btw, have you already found the 3L you're going to use, physically I mean?

my girlfriends father owns a junkyard. hes got a taurus engine there, and i'm waiting to get specs on it. If its a mint engine, even with higher miles, i might consider it, just because the price will probably be very low. Also, there is another yard that they are buddies with located 15 minutes from my house, inwhich has a low mile engine as well. both being 01 taurus engines. however, i don't know if the low miles one was from a car in as good of condition. i don't want something from a front end accident.

$400 for a 01 taurus in mint condition with 69,000 miles.

I would look around a little more. I am sure you can find one with less miles on it for about the same price, maybe even a little cheaper. I paid 200 for one with less miles on it.

you guys are crazy with your 3L finds ... i looked local, (NY, NJ, PA, CT) on car parts and the cheapest one was like $400 with problems ... if i look out in like MI or OH i can find em for $100-$200! But then I have to pay $200 shipping anyway ... I might stick with this one, as i know where it came from, and I can look at it in person before i buy ...

No matter what you do make sure you replace items with new gaskets.

Also any engine with an 3l or 2.5liter with a respectable turbo will give u mass tq gains. Look at the adc turbo kit. Gives alot more low end tq then the voretec supercharger. The story of turbos only building power up top isn't always true. And yes the vortec is linear so boost is created later but the turbo spools sooner for our application therfore boost is sooner which equals more power at low rpms.

There for 6-8 psi will still cause you traction issues. with a 2.5 of 3l liter.

I don't think that we can issue a blanket statement and say the auto is useless.
The problem with the 3L/ATX before was mainly from the modified high-stall torque converter and not the other tranny mods.

It seems to me that the answer is to take a healthy CD4E and mating it to a 3L with proper planning in mind. Use the stock converter until we find out through multiple swaps if they are strong enough or not. The converter may not be the weak point, it may just be clutch pack strength. Everything on the transmission may work fine.

The areas where I could forsee issues with the 3L/ATX literally would be how much clutch area is in each clutch pack. More torque may mean it will slip more than designed with each shift and wear out quicker. It may not though.
Why can't someone start searching around for better clutches? Is ther room in the clutch packs to increase the number of clutches and steels by one or two more?
Combine stronger clutches with the faster shifting valve body (like the sonnex ones?) and maybe you will have a transmission that will handle a 3L for the long haul.
However with all that said, just pick up a couple of used ones from the junk yard as a backup for the stock one. Run the stock one with a 3L and see how long it lasts.
Plan for the future that now you will use the atx and see how long it lasts in stock form with the intent to build a stronger performance version that you can put in later.

Some one on here had a 3l with an auto. It has been done, he went threw 2 of them. I believe it was Russel something or an other.

Either way a 3l auto would be nice. To invest in an auto would be pointlesss compard to just buying an mx. I know u know that Warmonger. You know alot. To add a turbo to the existing 3liter with an auto. Is just asking for alot of wasted downtime and money for the car for whe nit breaks.


Hey if you wnat to have fun go do it. If you hav emoney to waste, have fun. Too me it is too much of an investment. I would just buy a tauras with an auto if i wanted 1 that bad.

Originally posted by Rickson:

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Some one on here had a 3l with an auto. It has been done, he went threw 2 of them. I believe it was Russel something or an other.

Either way a 3l auto would be nice. To invest in an auto would be pointlesss compard to just buying an mx. I know u know that Warmonger. You know alot. To add a turbo to the existing 3liter with an auto. Is just asking for alot of wasted downtime and money for the car for whe nit breaks.


Hey if you wnat to have fun go do it. If you hav emoney to waste, have fun. Too me it is too much of an investment. I would just buy a tauras with an auto if i wanted 1 that bad.

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Yes, Russel3L and he built his tranny up in anticipation, only it was some of the build-up that was faulty, not necessarily the stock hardware. Hence why I said try it stock and get a backup trans to work on while he drives it around with a working 3L. This gives him first hand knowledge of how it drives and what he needs to do to a stock tranny to make it work. It is an approach that will at least keep out the guesswork because he can deal with problems if/when they crop up.

I disagree, I don't Know that it would be pointless to invest in an ATX versus buying an MTX. Maybe he wants the easy launch of an atx, maybe he just wants to make something work that no one else has managed to do over the long term very reliably. I would agree with you if there were 10 3L atx cars that all failed the same way but we've had maybe two and they aren't well documented. There are too many ATXs out there to throw the idea away especially if one were to figure out how to make the project work.
There are more atx than mtx contours hence a bigger market. More 3L contours means more contour power on the road. How funny it would be to see a 3L SE atx walking a heavily modded 2.5L SVT. Make that SVT owner get off his butt and develop his car.
Adding a turbo to it? Well I didn't take that seriously yet as the first bridge is a working 3L ATX right? It can be kept in mind but put on the back burner till the first problem is dealt with.

Also, A straight full 3L swap isn't hard and would be the most appropriate engine setup for the ATX as it was originally mated to an atx. Then he can decide to add a power adder. I'd recommend the Thomas Knight supercharger instead of the turbo due to the limited room with the ATX taking up the space where we normally put the turbo.

Also, the supercharger has a much more linear increase in power as rpms build that would nicely compliment the ATX engine and if geared properly with the right level of boost it could be setup to maximize torque in the middle to high end of the powerband and really overcome the power sucking tendency of the slushbox ATX. In short it would be a worthy project and make a nice running sleeper.
All it will take is some drive and ingenuity.

However, I do get your point about the easier more proven route versus breaking new ground. And he may not be the best candidate to try this, but who knows.
Its my job to motivate him not tear him down. Its not the same as the newbie who jumps on here and saying I'm getting a T3/4 with my SVT and 20psi to make 500 HP only I haven't got the car yet but I'll get it when my dad buys it for me next week...etc.
THEN I wouldn't even bother.