I still have a few questions.
I am still unsure as to whether or not the mounting brackets are different in the various blocks and if the transmission, exhaust, etc. needs to be modified to fit. Also, will the Mazda duratecs fit the Contour? If anyone has a list, or could point me to one, of compatible 3.0L engines for my car, it would be greatly appreciated.
To give a little background, I have a 95 Contour LX. It's the V6 with the ATX and it's completely stock. I know it sounds lame, but I don't have the tools, nor the space to work, so I'm just looking at doing something as quickly, easily, and as economicaly as possible. I would rather do the work myself, but that's not exactly an option.
My car decided to blow the head gaskets and crack the heads after only 62k miles. When I took it in to the mechanic, I thought it was just a faulty thermostat, but it turned out to be a little more than that. Needless to say, I was thrilled. I don't know what else is damaged, because I wouldn't let the mechanic get that far, but I figured a complete engine swap would be the easiest route to go. If the block is cracked and the pistons are scorched, I'd have to do that anyway.
I've been thinking about doing a 3.0L swap for some time now and take this as the oppertune time to do it.
Thanks in advance.
I can tell you one thing about your 3L swap.. don't expect to get a response from these knowledgeable guys with a name as _________
This is what the response will be in this thread.. _______ flat lined.
Originally posted by LilStripedRocket:
I can tell you one thing about your 3L swap.. don't expect to get a response from these knowledgeable guys with a name as _________
This is what the response will be in this thread.. _______ flat lined.
Creative name I like it.
It's a simple as thing.
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I don't have the tools, nor the space to work, so I'm just looking at doing something as quickly, easily, and as economicaly as possible.
DON'T DO IT!
There is NOTHING economical about having someone else do it. Labor will easily equal the cost of buying & building the engine.
Expect to pay $3,000 for a basic swap. Maybe more.
Definitely add more if you want a new clutch kit, machine work, LSD, tranny bits, et cetera...
Not only that but your ATX will not do well with the extra Torque of the 3L ...
Originally posted by LilStripedRocket:
I can tell you one thing about your 3L swap.. don't expect to get a response from these knowledgeable guys with a name as _________
This is what the response will be in this thread.. _______ flat lined.
Wow, thanks for the input. I can tell by your manner of typing you are a much better person than me and I should be ashamed to ask a question. Way to go guy!
To the other two dudes, thanks for the advice. I've decided it may not be such a good idea after all. If it's going to cost 3 grand, that's more than the blue book value of the car.
However, my car still needs an engine, so does anyone know if the Mazda duratecs fit the Contour?
Originally posted by ________:
However, my car still needs an engine, so does anyone know if the Mazda duratecs fit the Contour?
Well, at some point the Mazda 3L moved the water pump drive to the exhaust cam on the front head as opposed to the intake cam like it is on the Ford motor (not sure if the Mazda motors always had it that way or if it's a recent change) so there may be clearance issues with the radiator, otherwise if you want to do a 3L swap it should fit.... i think.
Who's doing the work?
You may as well understand that any engine swap will cost you a $1000 - $1500 to put in, even if it is a direct drop in, just from parts and labor if you don't have a knowledgeable friend.
Also, no car that old will be worth and engine replacement unless you know you will keep it and drive it for a while, at least two years before you decide to sell it!
So think about those questions first. Then if you decide to keep it and fix/replace the engine you will already know that you are committed. At that point you can do some reading here and learn what it takes to drop in a 3L hybrid. Really it isn't difficult at all if you can read and follow directions and the simplest hybrid is going to cost about the same. You can order a prepped block from Buckshot or Brad too I think. Hell, where are you going to be located?
When I get to Alabama I'm probably going to be able to prep a few engine blocks for people to make some extra cash.
warmonger
I've got a full 2.5 cougar long block just sitting if you need a motor. 40k on it. I think it even has accessories on it. PM me if you want it. It's just taking up space at the shop right now.
Originally posted by ________:
If anyone has a list, or could point me to one, of compatible 3.0L engines for my car, it would be greatly appreciated.
i like this idea, anyway someone who has the knowledge in this area could put it at the top in a sticky? i have been lookin, although i admit not that throughly, through the archives b/c i am most likely going to need a new engine this summer. i have read that some people have problems with their 3L swaps and i don't want to have anymore problems with this damn car. sorry to hijack your thread to me
2001-2003 Escape
1997-2004 Taurus/Sable
1998-2003 Windstar
If you are swimming in money
Jaguar 3.0L
LS 3L V6
Any freakin engine.. 427 Big block would be nice.
Obviously, the engines from the escape and taurus are the most sought after and easiest to obtain/ install. This is my "knowledge list".
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i like this idea, anyway someone who has the knowledge in this area could put it at the top in a sticky?
why bother? No one ever reads the stickys anyway! 75% of the newbie questions are found in the sticky's and we still end up typing them again.
I resigned myself to just doing the random thing...answering questions at random when I feel I'm in the mood rather than browbeating everyone for not searching. I could answer all of them like I did years ago but now ignore more than half.
Originally posted by LilStripedRocket:
2001-2003 Escape
1997-2004 Taurus/Sable
1998-2003 Windstar
If you are swimming in money
Jaguar 3.0L
LS 3L V6
Any freakin engine.. 427 Big block would be nice.
Obviously, the engines from the escape and taurus are the most sought after and easiest to obtain/ install. This is my "knowledge list".
the jag and LS 3.0s will NOT work. TH tried to do this for a LONG time and NO dice. If he couldn't well
Originally posted by LilStripedRocket:
2001-2003 Escape
1997-2004 Taurus/Sable
1998-2003 Windstar
1997 uses a different bell housing altogether.
Early 98's used a hybrid housing and had a few extra mounting tabs. Could be used but extra hassles.
Late 98's require just a few modifications more then a 99+ Tom used a late MY 98 engine his first 3L build.
2000 MY is a complete bastard year. You never know what mix you are going to get.
01+ engines have revised pistons, upgraded windage tray and pickup, better sensors, et cetera, et cetera...
I didn't put down the "ideal engine", just years. And your right on the 97.. typo. Didn't know the 00's wer ea biznitch to work with. I know that it seems MOST 3L guys choose the 01 model year fromthe escape/taurus.
3L jag and LS V6 can work out... with LOTS AND LOTS ofmoney... as I posted.
So the 01+ Escape/Taurus 3L are pretty much direct drop ins?
I think it would be really cool if someone did a 'Tour 3L Hybrid with the 3L Escape Hybrid engine. With gas at 2.19, that would be sweet, plus you'd get added horses from the electric motor.
Originally posted by ________:
So the 01+ Escape/Taurus 3L are pretty much direct drop ins?
I think it would be really cool if someone did a 'Tour 3L Hybrid with the 3L Escape Hybrid engine. With gas at 2.19, that would be sweet, plus you'd get added horses from the electric motor.
You're on crack!
It's a totally different architecture, with batterys, and specialised ECU, electronis and sh!t like that.
Plus this is a driver's-car, enthusiast group, not Greenpeace.
Originally posted by Stazi:
Originally posted by ________:
So the 01+ Escape/Taurus 3L are pretty much direct drop ins?
I think it would be really cool if someone did a 'Tour 3L Hybrid with the 3L Escape Hybrid engine. With gas at 2.19, that would be sweet, plus you'd get added horses from the electric motor.
You're on crack!
It's a totally different architecture, with batterys, and specialised ECU, electronis and sh!t like that.
Plus this is a driver's-car, enthusiast group, not Greenpeace.
not to mention the whopping 133hp it puts out, and i think that the hybrid only come with the 2.3L I4, could be mistaken though, i commonly am
Originally posted by cliffjohnson:
not to mention the whopping 133hp it puts out, and i think that the hybrid only come with the 2.3L I4, could be mistaken though, i commonly am
No, you are correct. 2.3L I4 + electric motor for ~200HP and high 20s in gas mileage.
I know this is OT, but needs to be pointed out!
Hybrids in their current state are a JOKE! What do I mean by this? Simple economics will prevail to show what I am getting at.
I discovered this information while researching for a commuting car. I am moving 65 miles away from my job, so my daily commute will now be 130 miles a day. Obviously, I needed something that gets great gas mileage. My requirements:
1) Must be a 4 door sedan because I have a 2 yr. old child and rear seat accessability is a must on the weekends. Right off the bat, this excluded the best gasoline car of the lot, the Honda Civic HX because it is only offered as a coupe. However, to make my point, I will use it as an example.
Below is a refined list that I had to choose from based solely on gasoline consumption. I ruled out diesel power because VW is the only producer of cars in the US with diesel engines and well, their QC/QA has fallen steadily in the last 10 years and they are overpriced.
All quoted prices (MSRP) & EPA reported mileage are from kbb.com on a BASE model
All quoted Annual fuel cost are based on 70% highway driving, 30% city driving, 36000 annual miles and a fuel cost of $ 2.12 per gallon and where gathered from fueleconomy.gov:
Toyota Use Case
2005 Toyota Corolla CE
Cost: $14,320.00
EPA City: 32 MPG
EPA Hwy: 41 MPG
Annual Fuel Cost: $2008
2005 Toyota Prius Hybrid
Cost: $21,415.00
EPA City: 60 MPG
EPA Hwy: 51 MPG
Annual Fuel Cost: $1440
Price Difference = $7,095
Annual Fuel Savings = $568
Time To Recover Cost Difference = 12.5 years!
Honda Use Case
2005 Honda Civic HX
Cost: $14,475.00
EPA City: 36 MPG
EPA Hwy: 44 MPG
Annual Fuel Cost: $1861
2005 Honda Civic Hybrid
Cost: $20,565.00
EPA City: 46 MPG
EPA Hwy: 51 MPG
Annual Fuel Cost: $1558
Price Difference = $6,095
Annual Fuel Savings = $303
Time To Recover Cost Difference = 20 years!!!
This is also assuming that NOTHING goes wrong during the "recovery" time. Imagine a car that could run reliably for 20 years ... now wake up and smell the BS that all the major manufacturer are shoveling! The extra costs of these vehicles isn't worth the gas they are saving you from using ... buy a more economical gasoline engined car before sinking your money into a hybrid.
Also ponder this: How much do you think it cost to take your car to the dealer to have your battery replaced (parts & labor). Now imagine that your entire hybrid battery pack needs replacement (estimated to occure after 5-8 years of use) ... just speculating here, but I would say AT LEAST $1,000!
I like hte research you put into that, however, I think in our area of the world, something else you need to factor in is commute time. I know the rumor going around is that pretty soon hybrids won't be allowed in the HOV, but still you can HOV with one person in those things! Plus, whatever the tax break is for owning a hybrid....just my .02 to add :-)
Originally posted by fastcougar:
I know this is OT, but needs to be pointed out!
Hybrids in their current state are a JOKE! What do I mean by this? Simple economics will prevail to show what I am getting at.
I discovered this information while researching for a commuting car. I am moving 65 miles away from my job, so my daily commute will now be 130 miles a day. Obviously, I needed something that gets great gas mileage. My requirements:
1) Must be a 4 door sedan because I have a 2 yr. old child and rear seat accessability is a must on the weekends. Right off the bat, this excluded the best gasoline car of the lot, the Honda Civic HX because it is only offered as a coupe. However, to make my point, I will use it as an example.
Below is a refined list that I had to choose from based solely on gasoline consumption. I ruled out diesel power because VW is the only producer of cars in the US with diesel engines and well, their QC/QA has fallen steadily in the last 10 years and they are overpriced.
All quoted prices (MSRP) & EPA reported mileage are from kbb.com on a BASE model
All quoted Annual fuel cost are based on 70% highway driving, 30% city driving, 36000 annual miles and a fuel cost of $ 2.12 per gallon and where gathered from fueleconomy.gov:
Toyota Use Case
2005 Toyota Corolla CE
Cost: $14,320.00
EPA City: 32 MPG
EPA Hwy: 41 MPG
Annual Fuel Cost: $2008
2005 Toyota Prius Hybrid
Cost: $21,415.00
EPA City: 60 MPG
EPA Hwy: 51 MPG
Annual Fuel Cost: $1440
Price Difference = $7,095
Annual Fuel Savings = $568
Time To Recover Cost Difference = 12.5 years!
Honda Use Case
2005 Honda Civic HX
Cost: $14,475.00
EPA City: 36 MPG
EPA Hwy: 44 MPG
Annual Fuel Cost: $1861
2005 Honda Civic Hybrid
Cost: $20,565.00
EPA City: 46 MPG
EPA Hwy: 51 MPG
Annual Fuel Cost: $1558
Price Difference = $6,095
Annual Fuel Savings = $303
Time To Recover Cost Difference = 20 years!!!
This is also assuming that NOTHING goes wrong during the "recovery" time. Imagine a car that could run reliably for 20 years ... now wake up and smell the BS that all the major manufacturer are shoveling! The extra costs of these vehicles isn't worth the gas they are saving you from using ... buy a more economical gasoline engined car before sinking your money into a hybrid.
Also ponder this: How much do you think it cost to take your car to the dealer to have your battery replaced (parts & labor). Now imagine that your entire hybrid battery pack needs replacement (estimated to occure after 5-8 years of use) ... just speculating here, but I would say AT LEAST $1,000!
Hybrid tax breaks are being dissolved and you will not be able to write them off at all in 2006 IIRC (may be 2007). I didn't factor in commute time because no matter the car, you can HOV ... it's not really a factor considering that any 2 seater vehicle qualifies.
I meant you can HOV without having anyone else in the car ;-) And you can't HOV on 395 with a two seater :-)
Originally posted by fastcougar:
Hybrid tax breaks are being dissolved and you will not be able to write them off at all in 2006 IIRC (may be 2007). I didn't factor in commute time because no matter the car, you can HOV ... it's not really a factor considering that any 2 seater vehicle qualifies.
Your logic is backwards ... normally when you commute on a regular basis with people, you do one of two things:
1) You drive the same car all the time and everyone contributes into the "gas" fund
2) You alternate who drives on a schedule (I drive every other day, you drive alternating days) and pay for your own gas.
Regardless, you are paying 1/2 of the gas, thus saving you half of the gas costs. Driving by yourself, regardless if it saves you time, cost you more money not only in the purchase of the car, but also at the pump. Now, if you are willing to spend $6K+ more on the car assume the entire pump price to shave 20 minutes off your commute ... more power to you!
If your only objective is to use HOV by yourself, the point of HOV (stands for High Occupancy Vehicle) is lost on you. The idea is to cut down on traffic congestion, not create a lane of traffic for Hybrids. I personally think HOV lenience for "new technology" hybrids is contrary to it's intended purpose. HOV is intended as a way to promote ride sharing/commuting together to reduce traffic congestion, NOT to promote the purchase of hybrid technology.
Thanks for the condescending reply...
Since your good with math and research shaving 20 minutes off your commute (40 minutes a day, 200 minutes a week, 800 minutes a month 9600 minutes in a year) is well worth it, IMO. Not that I'll every buy a hybrid...but to some people their time is well worth it.
And over 50% of the hybrids I see on HOV only have one person in them...so I guess alot of people buy them for that specific reason.
Originally posted by fastcougar:
Your logic is backwards ... normally when you commute on a regular basis with people, you do one of two things:
1) You drive the same car all the time and everyone contributes into the "gas" fund
2) You alternate who drives on a schedule (I drive every other day, you drive alternating days) and pay for your own gas.
Regardless, you are paying 1/2 of the gas, thus saving you half of the gas costs. Driving by yourself, regardless if it saves you time, cost you more money not only in the purchase of the car, but also at the pump. Now, if you are willing to spend $6K+ more on the car assume the entire pump price to shave 20 minutes off your commute ... more power to you!
If your only objective is to use HOV by yourself, the point of HOV (stands for High Occupancy Vehicle) is lost on you. The idea is to cut down on traffic congestion, not create a lane of traffic for Hybrids. I personally think HOV lenience for "new technology" hybrids is contrary to it's intended purpose. HOV is intended as a way to promote ride sharing/commuting together to reduce traffic congestion, NOT to promote the purchase of hybrid technology.
Originally posted by RTStabler51:
Thanks for the condescending reply...
Since your good with math and research shaving 20 minutes off your commute (40 minutes a day, 200 minutes a week, 800 minutes a month 9600 minutes in a year) is well worth it, IMO. Not that I'll every buy a hybrid...but to some people their time is well worth it.
And over 50% of the hybrids I see on HOV only have one person in them...so I guess alot of people buy them for that specific reason.
Wasn't trying to be condescending, just trying to clarify some things and make a point. let me ask you this ... what do you think your time is worth? 9600 minutes a year saved is 160 hours. Devide that by purchase price difference of a minumum of $6,000 and you have just spent $0.625/minute, or $37.5/hour. Not worth it in my opinion. However, we all know that opinions are like ... I digress.
No problem-o.
I don't think that is a 'bad' return for hte money...all depends on your commute time.
Now back to the regularly schedule thread :-)
Originally posted by fastcougar:
Originally posted by RTStabler51:
Thanks for the condescending reply...
Since your good with math and research shaving 20 minutes off your commute (40 minutes a day, 200 minutes a week, 800 minutes a month 9600 minutes in a year) is well worth it, IMO. Not that I'll every buy a hybrid...but to some people their time is well worth it.
And over 50% of the hybrids I see on HOV only have one person in them...so I guess alot of people buy them for that specific reason.
Wasn't trying to be condescending, just trying to clarify some things and make a point. let me ask you this ... what do you think your time is worth? 9600 minutes a year saved is 160 hours. Devide that by purchase price difference of a minumum of $6,000 and you have just spent $0.625/minute, or $37.5/hour. Not worth it in my opinion. However, we all know that opinions are like ... I digress.
You've got to pay for the R&D sometime and to some people it is worth the extra cost to feel that they are making a difference environmentally.
I will buy a hybrid as soon as they outperform a regular gas engine, especially since they have the potential to do just that. Honda's accord is heading that way and is garnering great reviews.
If I wanted the best gas mileage for a commute, I'd buy a 3 cylinder suzuki swift or what used to be called the Geo/Chevy Metro. Those things with an MTX got 50 MPG in the early ninety's.
Originally posted by warmonger:
Those things with an MTX got 50 MPG in the early ninety's.
my cousins husband had one of those. he swears he was getting around 600+ miles to a tank on the highway.
I'm glad to see my off-handed comment started such a heated debate. I was merely stating it would be cool, not that I would ever do it, or whether or not it would be economical. To point out, I was wrong about the engine size, the Escape Hybrid uses a 155hp 2.3l I4.
As far as economics, it is more expensive to buy a hybrid than it is to pay for gas....right now. Gas here in SD was 1.93 about 2 weeks ago. Now it's 2.23 after it jumped .04 yesterday and .10 the day before. Prices are expected to exceed 2.50 by summer, on the national average, and here we usually pay a little more than national average. I wouldn't be suprised to see gas above 2.60 by May. What am I getting at? The higher gas becomes, the more sense a hybrid makes. Yes, they are expensive, but what if gas gets to $7.00 or $8.00 a gallon like it was in Europe when I was there last spring. It's probably even higher than that, over there now. Then you could take your figures and multiply them by 4 or 5 and now we're talking a 3 or 4 year return on your investment. All of a sudden they start making sense.
As far as the "enthusiast" part. An eletric motor actually raises an engine's hp and torque ratings considerably. I don't remember the exact figures off-hand, but I want to say the Honda Accord Hybrid has a 60hp motor to go along with the 200hp engine for a combinded 260hp. I believe the Accord Hybrid is also nearly a second faster than it's non Hybrid brother in 0-60 and quarter mile times. HP per dollar, I would venture to guess an eletric motor isn't much more expensive than a turbo. Plus you get added mileage (instead of decreased mileage), quicker response times, and the engine doesn't need any modification as far as fuel delivery, air intake, or exhaust. I could also point out that an electric motor is much more effecient than an internal combustion engine and creates less friction and heat. There are also far more points as to why an electric motor makes more sense.
I agree they aren't a great idea as far as economics right now, but I stand by my statement that it would be cool to have. Who hates more power and better mileage? Also, hybrids are going to make more and more economic sense as they keep refining the electric motors and batteries, and as gas keeps getting more expensive.
How??????
The electric motor is on when the gas motor goes off and vice versa so how does the electric motor ADD hp to the gas motor??
The Accord has a 255hp V6 in it..the hybrid has a 255hp V6 in it along with the electric motors!
Originally posted by ________:
As far as the "enthusiast" part. An eletric motor actually raises an engine's hp and torque ratings considerably. I don't remember the exact figures off-hand, but I want to say the Honda Accord Hybrid has a 60hp motor to go along with the 200hp engine for a combinded 260hp. I believe the Accord Hybrid is also nearly a second faster than it's non Hybrid brother in 0-60 and quarter mile times. HP per dollar, I would venture to guess an eletric motor isn't much more expensive than a turbo. Plus you get added mileage (instead of decreased mileage), quicker response times, and the engine doesn't need any modification as far as fuel delivery, air intake, or exhaust. I could also point out that an electric motor is much more effecient than an internal combustion engine and creates less friction and heat. There are also far more points as to why an electric motor makes more sense.
I've heard that the batteries used for the electric motors don't work well in the cold so they have to be heated in the winter and then cooled in the summer. All the extra electronics is just asking for things to fail. I'll wait a few years until the technology has been out and is proven before I start looking at one.
I'll just wait for Fuel Cell technology to be phased in.
I'm pretty positive that HOV allowances for hybrids in Virginia are going to be phased out now that hybrids are becoming so much more available and popular. IMO, buying a hybrid for gas savings or HOV use is a little silly, since the more usable the hybrid is (i.e. four-door sedan, SUV), the less the percentage of actual fuel savings is.
OTOH, if you're a greenie or otherwise concerned about reducing emissions on top of the other small benefits, and are willing to pay the premium for all that (plus the novelty/popularity factor...you know that it's part of it), then why not go for it?
Personally, I'd take a new diesel over a hybrid, especially if you're predominantly doing highway driving over city. Hybrids lose a lot of their advantage in highway driving.
With the rising prices, I'm willing to bet Congress will be severly pushed into extending those tax breaks well beyond 06. They were designed to encourage the use of them, which in and of itself is a useful thing. More people buy them, the price goes down. They may not be a deal now, and won't see me buying one because there isn't one on the market I like styling wise (although I'd buy an escape hybrid if I was in the market for a small suv), but soon enough they'll be the norm. Just look at Toyota who has pledged to have a hybrid drivetrain in all model lineups.
BTW, I think the Accord Hybrid is indeed a tad faster than its gas only cousin because the eletric motor has instant max torque at >0 RPMs.
My understanding of how they work though is 'hard accelration' is handled by the gas motor. The electric motor is for 'cruising' and for idling. Plus with the added weight of the batteries and electric system, I don't see that happening.
Originally posted by GreenNuggs:
BTW, I think the Accord Hybrid is indeed a tad faster than its gas only cousin because the eletric motor has instant max torque at >0 RPMs.
Originally posted by RTStabler51:
My understanding of how they work though is 'hard accelration' is handled by the gas motor. The electric motor is for 'cruising' and for idling. Plus with the added weight of the batteries and electric system, I don't see that happening.Originally posted by GreenNuggs:
BTW, I think the Accord Hybrid is indeed a tad faster than its gas only cousin because the eletric motor has instant max torque at >0 RPMs.
According to the car and driver article in which they tested it, it was faster than the regular v6
Haul ass and save gas
That's a good read......
Originally posted by SVTatGT:
Originally posted by RTStabler51:
My understanding of how they work though is 'hard accelration' is handled by the gas motor. The electric motor is for 'cruising' and for idling. Plus with the added weight of the batteries and electric system, I don't see that happening.Originally posted by GreenNuggs:
BTW, I think the Accord Hybrid is indeed a tad faster than its gas only cousin because the eletric motor has instant max torque at >0 RPMs.
According to the car and driver article in which they tested it, it was faster than the regular v6
Haul ass and save gas
Originally posted by RTStabler51:
How??????
The electric motor is on when the gas motor goes off and vice versa so how does the electric motor ADD hp to the gas motor??
The Accord has a 255hp V6 in it..the hybrid has a 255hp V6 in it along with the electric motors!
Originally posted by ________:
As far as the "enthusiast" part. An eletric motor actually raises an engine's hp and torque ratings considerably. I don't remember the exact figures off-hand, but I want to say the Honda Accord Hybrid has a 60hp motor to go along with the 200hp engine for a combinded 260hp. I believe the Accord Hybrid is also nearly a second faster than it's non Hybrid brother in 0-60 and quarter mile times. HP per dollar, I would venture to guess an eletric motor isn't much more expensive than a turbo. Plus you get added mileage (instead of decreased mileage), quicker response times, and the engine doesn't need any modification as far as fuel delivery, air intake, or exhaust. I could also point out that an electric motor is much more effecient than an internal combustion engine and creates less friction and heat. There are also far more points as to why an electric motor makes more sense.
Yeah, but the hybrid adds the power of the electric motors to the car in the low range to improve torque where it is needed. The hybrid is actually faster because of the fuller combined torque curve.
Yeah, I didn't know that. I ASSumed that the electric motor was off during hard acceleration, but I was wrong
Originally posted by warmonger:
Originally posted by RTStabler51:
How??????
The electric motor is on when the gas motor goes off and vice versa so how does the electric motor ADD hp to the gas motor??
The Accord has a 255hp V6 in it..the hybrid has a 255hp V6 in it along with the electric motors!
Originally posted by ________:
As far as the "enthusiast" part. An eletric motor actually raises an engine's hp and torque ratings considerably. I don't remember the exact figures off-hand, but I want to say the Honda Accord Hybrid has a 60hp motor to go along with the 200hp engine for a combinded 260hp. I believe the Accord Hybrid is also nearly a second faster than it's non Hybrid brother in 0-60 and quarter mile times. HP per dollar, I would venture to guess an eletric motor isn't much more expensive than a turbo. Plus you get added mileage (instead of decreased mileage), quicker response times, and the engine doesn't need any modification as far as fuel delivery, air intake, or exhaust. I could also point out that an electric motor is much more effecient than an internal combustion engine and creates less friction and heat. There are also far more points as to why an electric motor makes more sense.
Yeah, but the hybrid adds the power of the electric motors to the car in the low range to improve torque where it is needed. The hybrid is actually faster because of the fuller combined torque curve.
Post locked, not 3L related any longer. Would have been locked anyway from the looks of the beginings of the thread...
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