belt harness bar - CEG Archives

Originally posted by Hdbngr8:
Do you have an estimate on when you may have a bar designed?

month, proboly closer to 2

Josh

Here's my bar!

Like Josh said, it's a modified WRX bar by www.rallyinnovations.com . Technically, it's a one-off, but John at Rally Innovations would be willing to make another. Or you can wait for Josh to design his jig so he can produce several!

just get some angle iron, weld it to the b-pillar and you're good to go!

dion...does john have a price on one?

of the price is right theres no reason for me to make my own...tho i'ld have him leave the end plates off and i'ld do something diferent there.

GB?

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gravity bong??

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gravity bong??

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gravity bong??

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Originally posted by Hdbngr8:

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gravity bong??

just make sure to include an emergency shut off valve so you don't waste any beer unnecessarily.

Originally posted by pole120:
dion...does john have a price on one?

of the price is right theres no reason for me to make my own...tho i'ld have him leave the end plates off and i'ld do something diferent there.

You'd have to call John and ask him about it. He mentioned that he could possibly make them, on an "as needed/wanted" basis.

I assume you'd do a heim joint or something like that, correct?

Originally posted by R_G:
GB?

From rally innovations or from Josh (pole120)?

IIRC, I remember seeing an add in a magazine for Sparco harness bars. I never checked myself if they made one for Contiques because I was sure they didn't.

The only Ford listing I saw in their catalog is for the Mustang

Originally posted by dion:

Originally posted by pole120:
dion...does john have a price on one?

of the price is right theres no reason for me to make my own...tho i'ld have him leave the end plates off and i'ld do something diferent there.

You'd have to call John and ask him about it. He mentioned that he could possibly make them, on an "as needed/wanted" basis.

I assume you'd do a heim joint or something like that, correct?

No, i'ld do the plates so that the b-pillar trim could be placed over it, it may require a bit more bend on the bar than he has on your piece tho.

Originally posted by Hdbngr8:
The only Ford listing I saw in their catalog is for the Mustang

what'd you expect.

Didn't really expect a Contour bar - was just hoping.

Here's mine for a 3 point Sparco harness. Great for guys that aren't hardcore like Dion.

Can be removed in seconds for rear passenger seating. Made with some heavy gauge U channel and 2 L brackets that bolt into the stock location. The eyelets come with the harness and 2 holes are drilled in order for them to be secured. There is aleady a spot in the rear sill for mounting the Y point. Just need to drill through the "carpet/covering".

Originally posted by pole120:

Originally posted by dion:

Originally posted by pole120:
dion...does john have a price on one?

of the price is right theres no reason for me to make my own...tho i'ld have him leave the end plates off and i'ld do something diferent there.

You'd have to call John and ask him about it. He mentioned that he could possibly make them, on an "as needed/wanted" basis.

I assume you'd do a heim joint or something like that, correct?

No, i'ld do the plates so that the b-pillar trim could be placed over it, it may require a bit more bend on the bar than he has on your piece tho.

Do you mean like this?

dion: i want that harness bar so bad

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are the existing belts still on? with that said i am asking because i thought i heard you say something about it comming out in a few minutes and i would get one like that so you can take the bar out and use existing belts when you want to carry passengers/stuff.

also would make a mighty fine camera mount

-a

Originally posted by 111R:
dion: i want that harness bar so bad .

are the existing belts still on? with that said i am asking because i thought i heard you say something about it comming out in a few minutes and i would get one like that so you can take the bar out and use existing belts when you want to carry passengers/stuff.

also would make a mighty fine camera mount

-a

The stock seatbelts are in place. John at rally innovations told me he would consider making another bar, but these won't necessarily go into production because of lack of interest and the Contour being such an old platform.

I had John put on a threaded stub that will accept a camera mount..

dion: i guess my only other qestion would be depending on a seat that uses 4-point harness, will it matter what height the bar has to be to feed in the belts?

and if you can confirm that the kit could be removed i am going to buy one. it looks ridgid.

and that camera mount is excellent

-a

Originally posted by 111R:
dion: i guess my only other qestion would be depending on a seat that uses 4-point harness, will it matter what height the bar has to be to feed in the belts?

and if you can confirm that the kit could be removed i am going to buy one. it looks ridgid.

and that camera mount is excellent

-a

I was told by John that the seatbelt pass through area should be "level" with the bar. That is ideal, according to John.

The bar can be removed at any time. Two bolts on the floor, and the two on either pillar, and the bar is out.

If copies of this are ever made I would snap one up in a second.

I would buy one of these in a heartbeat.

Fern

I'm going to bring this back up. I've e-mailed rallyinnovations and haven't received a reply. Maybe it never got to them, lost in the shuffle, whatever. Did anyone ever attempt to order one?

DION - Do you know if they would still be willing to make more?

I sent an e-mail to Mirko Racing a couple months back and asked if they would be interested - Albert repied they would be provided someone produced some specifications for the bar. However, after doing a great deal of research I have concluded that a harness and harness bar are not good things to have UNLESS you have a roll cage (or at a minimum a roll bar). Therefore I will pass until I put a cage in the car. If anyone else is still interested contact Mirko Racing.

Originally posted by Hdbngr8:
However, after doing a great deal of research I have concluded that a harness and harness bar are not good things to have UNLESS you have a roll cage (or at a minimum a roll bar).

You mind expanding on that a bit? Ive never heard that. The only thing about harnesses that Ive heard is that airbags can hurt you if you use a harness, because they dont allow the forward travel that regular belts do and you end up just getting bish slapped by the airbag.

To keep it short and sweet, the big concern is in the event of a rollover. The roof of the car is not designed to absorb impact loads without crushing the top of the car. If you look closely at how the factory belts work, you have the ability to tilt at the waist toward the center of the car. In a rollover, with the roof collapsing, your head has to go somewhere. With the factory belts you can pivot or tilt at the waist which allows your head to lower (with respect to the height of the car). In a secured harness and seat, the belt is designed to keep you rigid in your seat. If you roll over and the roof collapses the only part on your body that can pivot or tilt is your neck - i.e. broken neck. I have listed some websites that I gathered my information from. Ultimately it is up to you if you wish to do this (there are plenty of people who do this today).

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This is by no means a complete list of available information - just several that I thought were relevant. I have also spoken to a few people that are serious racers and have also advised against it.

my 4 points attach to the rear stock seatbelt holes and the stock belt mounts on the seats themselves...not perfect but works since that is what the belts were original attached to

I assume you are using the Schroth setup? IIRC, that is similar to or the same way that they market their belts. If you are not you may want to visit their website and see how they advise the mounting.

Originally posted by Hdbngr8:
To keep it short and sweet, the big concern is in the event of a rollover. The roof of the car is not designed to absorb impact loads without crushing the top of the car. If you look closely at how the factory belts work, you have the ability to tilt at the waist toward the center of the car. In a rollover, with the roof collapsing, your head has to go somewhere. With the factory belts you can pivot or tilt at the waist which allows your head to lower (with respect to the height of the car). In a secured harness and seat, the belt is designed to keep you rigid in your seat. If you roll over and the roof collapses the only part on your body that can pivot or tilt is your neck - i.e. broken neck. I have listed some websites that I gathered my information from. Ultimately it is up to you if you wish to do this (there are plenty of people who do this today).

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This is by no means a complete list of available information - just several that I thought were relevant. I have also spoken to a few people that are serious racers and have also advised against it.

I haven't read referenced posts yet, but I'm assuming that it isn't the seat bar that is the problem then, it is the 4/5 point harness itself that would pose the problem?

Well, I kept it short so as to highlight my major concerns, but there are other issues with the bar (which you have so astutely figured out). A hard rear end collision (either you get hit or back it into something) with a tightened harness can cause the seat to break away from it's mounts. This could result in the occupant hitting their head on the bar and causing cranial injury. If you get some time to look at some of the websites I posted I believe this discussion came up in there as well (about hitting your head). Believe me when I tell you that this subject appears to be a very gray area.

it seems like a risk still worthy of taking to me. Driving to work is probably a greater risk for me than rolling my car and breaking my neck. After all, if we never took risks, we wouldn't get anywhere in life.

So my question still remains, did anyone else contact them about making more?

Like I said - it's a very gray area, and it's a decision you have to make. Contact Mirko Racing, I'm sure they would still be interested in making the bar for you.

Maybe Mirko, though they always seem to want to much of either people or money.