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worst idea ive ever heard

Originally posted by KingpinSVT:
worst idea ive ever heard

Come On DemonSVT,svt4svt,KingpinSVT!!

You guys aren't conformists, Right??????

"Free Your Mind"

1.Zetec cars are cheap (the FSVT motor w/Turbo is the best choice) But $$$$$$

2.Some SVT's are cheap (usually high mileage,so good engine replacement candidates)

3.Ford fits Ford,right.....(not like dropping in a V8!

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4.I like the Sleeper/Touring look idea...the unexpected!

Don't ruin my dreams!

Zetec bashers.

Reasons to do it:
1. There are a lot more Zetecs out there
2. A lot more aftermarket....CHEAPER!
3. Turbo, superchargers a lot cheaper with a lot more options
4. Sleeper factor

The "sleeper factor" says you do NOT do this to an SVT.

If sleeper factor and cost effectiveness are indeed your real goals, drop a 351 into an old Maverick or Fairmont. Start to finish you could build that sucker for less than just a turbo kit, and it would run faster than a turbo zetec.

Frankly, plain jane 3.0L Duratecs are just as cheap and easy to get. An SVT owner can carry over his SVT cams, extrude Honed intake, and all mods. It will make 200-210 or more FWHP with a good tune which is equal to the only "cheap" zetec turbo Ive seen on thses boards (SEAWOLF). Further, the zetec means a new tranny (more $) and the 6 speed FSVT Getreg is not a good option in any even (weaker than MTX75 and the 6th gear is mearly a second overdrive). V6 is also smoother, sounds better, and is not much heavier.

You "might" be a little ahead cost wise with zetec after you price out forged rods/pistons/turbo for both engines then add to zetec..cost of new zetec spec tranny, other zetec mods to replace V6 mods but I doubt by much.

Thing is with the Zetec everything is more readily available. You happen to mess something up and you can get a replacement part easily.

To each his own....I know the Zetec doesn't have the torque of the 3L but it can.

Originally posted by LoCoZs/c:
Thing is with the Zetec everything is more readily available. You happen to mess something up and you can get a replacement part easily. To each his own....I know the Zetec doesn't have the torque of the 3L but it can.

Yeah, but how many 3.0 Taurus/Sables/Escapes junkers are sitting around junkyards? Plenty in my area at least.

Originally posted by Dan Nixon:

You "might" be a little ahead cost wise with zetec after you price out forged rods/pistons/turbo for both engines then add to zetec..cost of new zetec spec tranny, other zetec mods to replace V6 mods but I doubt by much.

And if it's not about cost???

What do some of you think of those who put cammers into their FSVT? Does that make him an anti-purist? It's just an engine, that is above-par not spectacular (stock powerwise), has less aftermarket as Hector reminded and spins bearings, oh and can be sold for a decent price still.

I say, many people love the engine, me included, so sell the svt engine and pick up a cheap zetec, rip it apart and go svtcuervo crazy on it.

Are we still talking about this ~ idea???

You are never going to get the power curve from less displacement.

You talk like it's going to be cheap to buy a parts car, then build a forged Zetec, then add a turbo kit, then add et cetera.
Like Dan said for 1/5 the cost or less you can do a 3L swap and equal the "peak" output of a typical boosted Zetec (heck beat the S/C outputs I've seen!) yet have a much stronger area under the curve. (50% more displacement then 2 liters does that)
Heck without even going into the 2.5L you can make great power.

We don't even have to bring up boosting the V6.

If you had a Zetec 5-speed to begin with then by all means KEEP it a Zetec and turbo that bad boy. That makes a lot of sense and would be a great performer for the money.
I'd recommend that over replacing it with a V6 because it's already there to begin with.

Word, Demon you beat me to it.

essentially (not bashing

) zetecs are the basemodel Contours, so they are the CHEAPEST.

If I had a zetec, I think I'd turbo it too.

Originally posted by DemonSVT:
Why would you even want to for starters.

Then secondly it would require a Zetec parts car to source everything from.

i was considering doing it b/c my current 2.5 needs about 1 quart of oil every 8 days, it sounds like there's a marble somewhere in my transmission and i can't afford a new engine/trans right now. plus, gas is $$$ and i have the '99 zetec my brother wrecked that runs like a champ at my parents house wasting away.

if anyone wants to start a "new engine fund" i would be greatly appreciative.

I think you are doing it Backwards.....put SVT in Zetec.....all you'll end up with is suspension changes, oh and a few odd body part changes......sort of what we Zetecers have already done.....

Originally posted by WestCoastAjax:
I think you are doing it Backwards.....put SVT in Zetec.....all you'll end up with is suspension changes, oh and a few odd body part changes......sort of what we Zetecers have already done.....

.the zetec i have has no front end. i think that you are talking to the original poster though yeah?

Originally posted by WestCoastAjax:
I think you are doing it Backwards.....put SVT in Zetec.....all you'll end up with is suspension changes, oh and a few odd body part changes......sort of what we Zetecers have already done.....

I don't have that many SVT parts......rear sway bar, instrument cluster, rear brakes....

yea...well im gonna turbo my zetec focus

You don't understand!

Picture a SVT with real low roadrace supension, Mirko, Touring wing (for Me), big rubber and OZ superturismo GT wheels.
Now add Built ZETEC Turbo with intercooler, Terry Haines Built tranny with LSD and for Flash have the exhaust exit in the left front behind the wheel well (for flame display on overrun).

This is sort of what I had in mind. No one expects a 4 cly CSVT. Yes it would be $$$$$$ but its just an idea, someone will do it eventualy........

BTW turboed 4 clys have made Mucho HP in many forms of racing (over 1000 in F1, near that in some IMSA GTP cars in the 80s/90s)

Originally posted by supertouringmike:
You don't understand!

Picture a SVT with real low roadrace supension, Mirko, Touring wing (for Me), big rubber and OZ superturismo GT wheels.
Now add Built ZETEC Turbo with intercooler, Terry Haines Built tranny with LSD and for Flash have the exhaust exit in the left front behind the wheel well (for flame display on overrun).

At this point the only SVT specific parts you'd need would be the bumpers and side skirts. Why not just take a POS Zetec car and go from there?

Originally posted by supertouringmike:
Yes it would be $$$$$$ but its just an idea, someone will do it eventualy........

I doubt it.

Originally posted by supertouringmike:
You don't understand!

Picture a SVT with real low roadrace supension, Mirko, Touring wing (for Me), big rubber and OZ superturismo GT wheels.
Now add Built ZETEC Turbo with intercooler, Terry Haines Built tranny with LSD and for Flash have the exhaust exit in the left front behind the wheel well (for flame display on overrun).

This is sort of what I had in mind. No one expects a 4 cly CSVT. Yes it would be $$$$$$ but its just an idea, someone will do it eventualy........

BTW turboed 4 clys have made Mucho HP in many forms of racing (over 1000 in F1, near that in some IMSA GTP cars in the 80s/90s)

What are we not understanding? Theres very little weight difference, meaning little to no advantage in a road race. And how many turbo Zetecs are there puting out the kind of HP the turbo 3.0's are making? It just seems like ALOT of work for less payoff.

Originally posted by bigMoneyRacing:
At this point the only SVT specific parts you'd need would be the bumpers and side skirts. Why not just take a Zetec car and go from there?

DING DING DING!!!

And that's the main point and part of what he just can't grasp!

Zetec powered SVT. Zetec powered SVT. Zetec powered SVT.

Get IT ?

Not Zetec powered puesdo SVT via body parts. OK?

Just an Idea, ain't no thang guys..........Dare one of us Corrupt a sacred CSVT

all things being equal there is no replacement for displacement. we would rather have a bigger engine with mods abc than a smaller engine with mods abc. that and putting a lowly zetec in in our beloved svt's would be sacrilage resulting in excommunication. lol

Let's get a Porsche 911 Targa, and then put in an old Corvair turbo engine and then mod it until it's almost as fast as what we started with.

Someone IS eventually gonna do that, right?

Originally posted by supertouringmike:
Zetec powered SVT. Zetec powered SVT. Zetec powered SVT.

Get IT ?

Not Zetec powered puesdo SVT via body parts. OK?

Just an Idea, ain't no thang guys..........Dare one of us Corrupt a sacred CSVT

No, I just don't get it

Why butcher a poor SVT? Why not just start with a Zetec car, saving yourself all the effort of an engine swap? We've already discussed why the 3.0 Duratec would be a better performance option. Why would anyone who owns a SVT want to swap to a lesser engine? All that work and money just so you can say you have a 4 banger SVT?

Originally posted by bigMoneyRacing:
Why not just take a POS Zetec car and go from there?

SVTs aren't anything special.

Originally posted by LoCoZs/c:

Originally posted by bigMoneyRacing:
Why not just take a POS Zetec car and go from there?

SVTs aren't anything special.

No slight intended Hector, it was a poor choice of adjectives. Let me try again:

Originally posted by bigMoneyRacing:
Why not just take a beater Zetec car and go from there?

It was an attempt to infer that building a race car out of any cherry street car is a huuuge waste--as is this brainless project.

Mike, read the bloody spec sheet on an SVT, take note of how many SVT spec parts you wouldn't be using, and ask yourself whether it'd really be an "SVT" after your hack job.

Yeah, the SVTs are not anything special. N/A 2.5Ls putting out 160 FWHP pure stock must grow on trees.

If we assume an MTX Zetec does only around 105 FWHP, then an SVT is ONLY around 55 FWHP ahead of a normal Zetec. That a Zetec needs a turbocharger just to catch up with the SVT indicates the SVT IS something special, at least compared to a Zetec.

So what's so exotic, unique and desirable about a turbo'd Zetec that you sink $$THOUSANDS into it, just to MAYBE (if you're lucky) break even with a dull, mundane, garden variety Duratec SVT?

With the cast iron Zetec vs. Duratec providing miniscule weight differences, any weight advantage maybe held by the Zetec for handling or braking would probably be less than that between using 'good' and 'better' tires.

Why would anyone even want to daydream about intentionally spending $thousands to take a step backwards in performance?

Holy crap I thought this thread had ended.

Originally posted by supertouringmike:
Dare one of us Corrupt a sacred CSVT

Cool idea, but it goes back to your original quote:

Originally posted by supertouringmike:

4.I like the Sleeper/Touring look idea...the unexpected!

How is a CSVT a sleeper? I do get that you want to blow peoples minds with a 4cyl CSVT, but they are already quick.

Originally posted by PDXSVT:
Yeah, the SVTs are not anything special. N/A 2.5Ls putting out 160 FWHP pure stock must grow on trees.

If we assume an MTX Zetec does only around 105 FWHP, then an SVT is ONLY around 55 FWHP ahead of a normal Zetec. That a Zetec needs a turbocharger just to catch up with the SVT indicates the SVT IS something special, at least compared to a Zetec.

So what's so exotic, unique and desirable about a turbo'd Zetec that you sink $$THOUSANDS into it, just to MAYBE (if you're lucky) break even with a dull, mundane, garden variety Duratec SVT?

Turbo Zetec break even with a stock SVT? HA....most of the Turboed Focus running are at or over 200 FWHP.....there was never a stock Duratec SVT running that or even close.

This topic i s stoopid.

Originally posted by LoCoZs/c:
Turbo Zetec break even with a stock SVT? HA....most of the Turboed Focus running are at or over 200 FWHP.....there was never a stock Duratec SVT running that or even close.

I beg to differ.

What are the turbo Zetec CDW-27's running? Exactly...

Originally posted by DemonSVT:

Originally posted by LoCoZs/c:
Turbo Zetec break even with a stock SVT? HA....most of the Turboed Focus running are at or over 200 FWHP.....there was never a stock Duratec SVT running that or even close.

I beg to differ.

What are the turbo Zetec CDW-27's running? Exactly...

He didn't specify.

Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
This topic i s stoopid.

The only thing stupid is your response. Thank you once again for another useless post.

Originally posted by supertouringmike:
BTW turboed 4 clys have made Mucho HP in many forms of racing (over 1000 in F1, near that in some IMSA GTP cars in the 80s/90s)

are these zetec's?

in it stock form im understanding that the zetec will last longer

that would be enough for me

i like having a powerful vehiche but reliabilty and endorence come first

as far as the turbo it would probly shortan the zetec life span in that case go with the longer lasting engine

ahh im just poor

Originally posted by LoCoZs/c:
SVTs aren't anything special.

but they do carry higher insurance premiums (at least in Michigan).

Wouldn't it make more sense for a sleeper to look plain-jain average with no inclination that it isn't driven by a 65 year old woman? The best true "sleeper" combination would have to be taking the 401 whp turbo 2.5 and putting it into an early model zetec car, unlowered, untinted, w/ 15" steelies, and doilies or what not like you see in old women's cars. No one would expect a thing out of a car like that, but when you punch-it and roast the tires off it'd be a sudden dead give-away.

Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
This topic i s stoopid.

Kermit- I expect better from you!

Dakmis- they are turboed 4 cly motors (with big HP)

Pre98- Hey you posted too!

SVT24- I guess the "sleeper" part was the unexpected turbo Zetec (wrong choice of words)

Big MoneyRacing- I gues you'd need BigMoney......

PDXSVT- "eventually" you guys will have some Imagination and less critisism.......Nah!

BTW: most people don't know a Contour from a Escort, much less a SVT.

At least I got responces.......

supertouringmike, you have a really inerresting idea if you can make it better than the S/C 2.5's and 3L's. I am always up for learning something new, and if you can pull more power out of a ZTEC than a 3.0 it would set a lot of people in their place.

Originally posted by Wyrp:

Originally posted by LoCoZs/c:
SVTs aren't anything special.

but they do carry higher insurance premiums (at least in Michigan).

Wouldn't it make more sense for a sleeper to look plain-jain average with no inclination that it isn't driven by a 65 year old woman? The best true "sleeper" combination would have to be taking the 401 whp turbo 2.5 and putting it into an early model zetec car, unlowered, untinted, w/ 15" steelies, and doilies or what not like you see in old women's cars. No one would expect a thing out of a car like that, but when you punch-it and roast the tires off it'd be a sudden dead give-away.

That sounds like fun!

As for the title of this thread

Originally posted by Wyrp:

Wouldn't it make more sense for a sleeper to look plain-jain average with no inclination that it isn't driven by a 65 year old woman? The best true "sleeper" combination would have to be taking the 401 whp turbo 2.5 and putting it into an early model zetec car, unlowered, untinted, w/ 15" steelies, and doilies or what not like you see in old women's cars. No one would expect a thing out of a car like that, but when you punch-it and roast the tires off it'd be a sudden dead give-away.

Thats the true definition of a sleeper.

Originally posted by cliffjohnson:

i was considering doing it b/c my current 2.5 needs about 1 quart of oil every 8 days, it sounds like there's a marble somewhere in my transmission and i can't afford a new engine/trans right now. plus, gas is $$$ and i have the '99 zetec my brother wrecked that runs like a champ at my parents house wasting away.

This would make sense to do if you were strapped for cash and absolutely had to have a car to drive. But then you would have a 105 hp "SVT" When you start comparing cost of adding turbo to a zetec that you already own outright vs. buying a 3L i would imagine it would have to be about the same cost right? Factor in all the other [censored] you have to do to go from the 2.5 to a zetec and it gets more expensive. Bottom line, it's not a good idea

I'm going on the assumption that someone would have a blown SVT engine not able to be salvaged at all. Then buy the cheaper/more mod-able engine=Zetec, for advantages already posted.

just call turbo tom, he knows how to get the power out of the zetecs.

Originally posted by SVT24:

Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
This topic i s stoopid.

The only thing stupid is your response. Thank you once again for another useless post.

You're welcome!

Originally posted by supertouringmike:

Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
This topic i s stoopid.

Kermit- I expect better from you!

You've been here long enough to know not to expect anything decent outta me.

But really, these kinda topics happen all the time and they are played out. Yes you can get a lotta power outta a zetec, like someone said, talk to turbo tom. But that's regardless of whether it's in a svt contour, focus, zx2, lotus 7 replica, contour,etc. The topic just has no real point. If you want a powerful zetec, then save the money and then do it. If you want it in a contour, then go for it. If you want it in a svt contour shell, then go for that too. I just didn't see any point to the thread is all.

You're on drugs Mike.

damn I missed all the big bad Duratec guys bashing the Zetec

plain and simple fact, the zetec will last much much longer then the SVT or 3.0 motors. Why not trade your SVT shell for a Zetec shell and some cash. Then put in your bros zetec motor/tranny. That way you won't ruin a SVT and you will have a car that goes plus some cash.

Originally posted by 96mercury:
plain and simple fact, the zetec will last much much longer then the SVT or 3.0 motors.

where did you find this fact?

Originally posted by KingpinSVT:

Originally posted by 96mercury:
plain and simple fact, the zetec will last much much longer then the SVT or 3.0 motors.

where did you find this fact?

Yeah. I concur, not necessarily true.

Originally posted by 96mercury:
plain and simple fact, the zetec will last much much longer then the SVT or 3.0 motors.

Is there are 250,000 mile Zetec to back your fact?

Has anyone considered putting a Zetec(probably turboed) into a Ford GT (with a worn/blown 5.4S/C)?

It woud be lighter, handle better and make more power than the original engine.. Just a thought.

But since the zetec will not bolt up right to the GT's tranny, also put in the slushbox that bolts to the zetec.

It just came to me, why not ditch the Zetec and slap a duratec 2.0 in there. You're now keeping with the v6 and the FSVT with just a few mods to surpass both

???

I'm guesing a Duratec 2.0 isn't cheap and not nearly as available as the the Zetec or the 2.5/3.0.

you mean the 2.3L Duratec?

I'm sure someone will try, just give it time.