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I like my slushbox :-)

Originally posted by DemonSVT:

BTW - this isn't an "anti-you" post but more of an anti-POS slushbox post.

Originally posted by RTStabler51:
I like my slushbox :-)
Originally posted by DemonSVT:

BTW - this isn't an "anti-you" post but more of an anti-POS slushbox post.

Yea, but there is a difference between the CD4E and the 4R100. That thing shifts ridiculously hard with a shift kit.

Quote:

BTW - this isn't an "anti-you" post but more of an anti-POS slushbox post.

It is still your fault for allowing her to get one.

Ah, pipedreams that my slushbox makes 15's..

Originally posted by Pre98:
Ah, pipedreams that my slushbox makes 15's..

a properly done 3L and you can make 14s no problem

Originally posted by {Kontofosho}:
It is still your fault for allowing her to get one.

My comment was about the POS they stuck in the CDW-27. Hell a lot of Ford automatics are plain junk. Period. At least it's not a late 80's to late 90's Chrysler product though.

As for the Cavalier...

The ATX in her Z24 is MUCH better then any of the MTX's they stuck in the J-bodies.

I know I've driven several MTX Z24's and was appalled at how poorly they shift and the vat of butter shifter motion.

I remember laughing at the salesman when during the test drive he was talking about how nicely the new 02 Z24 shifted. After I finished gut laughing I politely explained what a vague, sloppy, and slow shifting MTX it really was. We then bought another ATX 2.4L

The ATX is tough, quick shifting, and extremely efficient. Also it's just a small family commuter sedan. (BTW the ATX gets better mpg then the MTX does)

Yes the car's overall build quality is typical GM. (cheap plastic & squeaks)
The engine & tranny are bullet proof, efficient, and last forever. Plus normal maintenance is ultra cheap which is just what you want on a daily commuter. (Her 02 Z24 4dr has 70k on it)

I know, I just like to poke at you ;-)

I think the Lightning 4R100 is probably one of the best slushboxes ford has put together in recent history (minuse the C4 & C6s of the old days).

As most know, a slushbox should not be oreinted with a 'performance' car. Unless we are talking the Ferrari paddle shift, etc.

Originally posted by DemonSVT:

My comment was about the POS they stuck in the CDW-27. Hell a lot of Ford automatics are plain junk. Period.

Yes the 4R100 is tough.

The one put in the LS & new Mustang is suppose to be quite good too. (5R55) The stock programming has been called crap though.

Originally posted by Pre98:
Ah, pipedreams that my slushbox makes 15's..

well if you can't do t i'm taking your headers

I'll falsify my track times then

Originally posted by DemonSVT:

Originally posted by {Kontofosho}:
It is still your fault for allowing her to get one.

My comment was about the POS they stuck in the CDW-27. Hell a lot of Ford automatics are plain junk. Period. At least it's not a late 80's to late 90's Chrysler product though.

As for the Cavalier...

The ATX in her Z24 is MUCH better then any of the MTX's they stuck in the J-bodies.

I know I've driven several MTX Z24's and was appalled at how poorly they shift and the vat of butter shifter motion.

I remember laughing at the salesman when during the test drive he was talking about how nicely the new 02 Z24 shifted. After I finished gut laughing I politely explained what a vague, sloppy, and slow shifting MTX it really was. We then bought another ATX 2.4L

The ATX is tough, quick shifting, and extremely efficient. Also it's just a small family commuter sedan. (BTW the ATX gets better mpg then the MTX does)

Yes the car's overall build quality is typical GM. (cheap plastic & squeaks)
The engine & tranny are bullet proof, efficient, and last forever. Plus normal maintenance is ultra cheap which is just what you want on a daily commuter. (Her 02 Z24 4dr has 70k on it)

Um who cares about the Cavalier?

I have to say the Contour ATX is decent. Shifting may not be "top notch" but if properly maintained it can last. After all my taking off, flooring it, manually shifting, taking it up to 7500 rpms, the trans can take a beating. If I would have done half the stuff to a MTX I would have had to replace it already. I'd rather have a MTX yeah....but I nothing bad to say about my ATX.

Maybe you got a freak ATX??

I will agree though, if they are well maintained they should hold up fine.

Bill, if your car doesn't run 15's with the headers, we're doing a 5 spd. swap...

My car SHOULD be in the 15's......gotta go to the track again.

Originally posted by LocoSCZ:
My car SHOULD be in the 15's......gotta go to the track again.

160hp @ the wheels I would hope a good mid 15sec run.

Originally posted by zrated:

Originally posted by LocoSCZ:
My car SHOULD be in the 15's......gotta go to the track again.

160hp @ the wheels I would hope a good mid 15sec run.

Aint gonna happen, sorry to be a downer.

Originally posted by I-Dom-In-8-130Hp:

Originally posted by zrated:

Originally posted by LocoSCZ:
My car SHOULD be in the 15's......gotta go to the track again.

160hp @ the wheels I would hope a good mid 15sec run.

Aint gonna happen, sorry to be a downer.

Don't hate Mr 130Hp

i think he could do it. i ran 15.4 with only 10 more hp. and that is withall the options an SVT has that his Zetec doesnt. i think he can get 15's easy.

if he dont see 15s he needs to push his car off a cliff, as it definetaly has enough power to hit mid 15s

Well, let's just say my car runs neck and neck with a STOCK auto Cobalt LS.

My car pulls ahead, but after the secondaries kick in (and at about 100 mph)

I really can't wait to have my car tuned (and after the header install)

I hope your car breaks into 15's, Hector.

Now that I have most of the issues fixed....I need to hit the track again.

Originally posted by LocoSCZ:
Now that I have most of the issues fixed....I need to hit the track again.

Yeah like sooon so everyone can see

You say you fixed you issues, the only thing you changed was your TB and put a heatshield.

Again sorry to be a downer but you aint gonna see 15s.

Originally posted by I-Dom-In-8-130Hp:

Originally posted by LocoSCZ:
Now that I have most of the issues fixed....I need to hit the track again.

Yeah like sooon so everyone can see

You say you fixed you issues, the only thing you changed was your TB and put a heatshield.

Again sorry to be a downer but you aint gonna see 15s.

who are you to say he wont hit 15's? how can i run a 15.4 with only 10 more HP at the wheel. 10 HP isnt gonna make up .6 sec differense in a 1/4 time. I think 15's are very easy for him. stopping being such a hater.

Originally posted by I-Dom-In-8-130Hp:

Originally posted by LocoSCZ:
Now that I have most of the issues fixed....I need to hit the track again.

Yeah like sooon so everyone can see

You say you fixed you issues, the only thing you changed was your TB and put a heatshield.

Again sorry to be a downer but you aint gonna see 15s.

OK! with the extra weight of the duratec when my car was near stock (154hp at the wheels) I ran a 15.5sec @87mph.

15's even if he has trouble launching perfect should be a given.

Originally posted by TrumpDrewSVT:

Originally posted by I-Dom-In-8-130Hp:

Originally posted by LocoSCZ:
Now that I have most of the issues fixed....I need to hit the track again.

Yeah like sooon so everyone can see

You say you fixed you issues, the only thing you changed was your TB and put a heatshield.

Again sorry to be a downer but you aint gonna see 15s.

who are you to say he wont hit 15's? how can i run a 15.4 with only 10 more HP at the wheel. 10 HP isnt gonna make up .6 sec differense in a 1/4 time. I think 15's are very easy for him. stopping being such a hater.

Who are you to say he is...

Originally posted by LocoSCZ:

Originally posted by I-Dom-In-8-130Hp:

Originally posted by LocoSCZ:
Now that I have most of the issues fixed....I need to hit the track again.

Yeah like sooon so everyone can see

You say you fixed you issues, the only thing you changed was your TB and put a heatshield.

Again sorry to be a downer but you aint gonna see 15s.

Thats what i will be doing when you dont hit the 15s

Get a life dude and stop with the BS

You aint gonnna knock almost .9 sec with just a Tb gone.

You dynoed 160 at 7k rpm in 3rd gear.

You aint gonna hit that by the end of the track.

So go run at the track so you can just let yourself down again because you seem to think your gonna run 15s.

WOW!

The line between constructive criticism and hating is getting REALLY thin....

Ray

Originally posted by Ray:
WOW!

The line between constructive criticism and hating is getting REALLY thin....

Ray

WHO the hell is hateing, I was keeping it real and nice until some poeple decided to bite back and

Incase you dont know ive known hector for 5 years and sorry to say he aint gonna hit 15s with what he got. If he does awesome for him but not to be let down and upset again is what im trying to say.

All you thinking im hateing go play in traffic.

Didn't say you WERE hating.

I said the line was getting thin... Was more trying to state that I could see where this was going, and just went..

No harm intended.. sorry!

Ray

Sorry ray didnt mean to bite back at ya, Bad day today.

Kev.....calm down......you talking sh!t isn't constructive.

I didn't do sh!t to you.

Originally posted by LocoSCZ:
Kev.....calm down......you talking sh!t isn't constructive. I didn't do sh!t to you.

When was i talking [censored]..

Being honest is talking [censored].

Take that somewere else man.

Ohhh and

Originally posted by I-Dom-In-8:

Originally posted by LocoSCZ:
Kev.....calm down......you talking sh!t isn't constructive. I didn't do sh!t to you.

When was i talking [censored]..

Being honest is talking [censored].

Take that somewere else man.

Ohhh and

Seriously, WTF is your problem?

I would expect this out of certain people here.....but not you.

How is this "being honest?" This sh!t is ridiculous.

Originally posted by LocoSCZ:

Originally posted by I-Dom-In-8:

Originally posted by LocoSCZ:
Kev.....calm down......you talking sh!t isn't constructive. I didn't do sh!t to you.

When was i talking [censored]..

Being honest is talking [censored].

Take that somewere else man.

Ohhh and

Seriously, WTF is your problem? I would expect this out of certain people here.....but not you. How is this "being honest?" This sh!t is ridiculous.

Whatever dude grow up.....go run and we will see who was right, IM done with you and this thread.

wow. my head hurts yet I have to agree with kevin on this one. If you need someone to run against at the track hector let me know. If I keep my 16's on I should run 16's right kev? LOL

i still think he will break into the 15s?

i guarantee his car pulls harder than mine did when it was pretty much bone stock (KKM and superchip)

my car was knocking on 15s door back then. 16.3 @ 91 with heavy ass 17s and falken azenis (accually bogged my engine down)

granted his low end torque leaves some to be desired, up top his car pulls harder than my near stock duratec could have

when you hit the track...put on 14" steelies!! empty your trunk and you'll be good to go!!!

Originally posted by Russell-3L:
i still think he will break into the 15s?

i guarantee his car pulls harder than mine did when it was pretty much bone stock (KKM and superchip)

my car was knocking on 15s door back then. 16.3 @ 91 with heavy ass 17s and falken azenis (accually bogged my engine down)

granted his low end torque leaves some to be desired, up top his car pulls harder than my near stock duratec could have

when you hit the track...put on 14" steelies!! empty your trunk and you'll be good to go!!!

Thanks that was what I was planning. By the time I hit the track I will be running more boost and have some cooling. Cooling by itself has added 10-15 at the wheels on the Focus with the same setup.

Originally posted by LocoSCZ:

Originally posted by Russell-3L:
i still think he will break into the 15s?

i guarantee his car pulls harder than mine did when it was pretty much bone stock (KKM and superchip)

my car was knocking on 15s door back then. 16.3 @ 91 with heavy ass 17s and falken azenis (accually bogged my engine down)

granted his low end torque leaves some to be desired, up top his car pulls harder than my near stock duratec could have

when you hit the track...put on 14" steelies!! empty your trunk and you'll be good to go!!!

Thanks that was what I was planning. By the time I hit the track I will be running more boost and have some cooling. Cooling by itself has added 10-15 at the wheels on the Focus with the same setup.

ever thought about modding your atx? the shiftkit and sonnax valves make it shift noticably better, and a high stall torque converter would fit your setup nicely....just dont go with the no-name company i did!

or better yet...swap to mtx you wont regret it!!

I think Kevin had a lot of humor in what he was saying at first, I don't think he intended to hurt anyones feelings.
As people have stated about Hectors car, I have horrible low end torque and I need a program tune very badly. So I know how it feels to get burned more than often, but then again I never pursue into illegal activities (a la reaching the governor)

Can't wait to see that gone, too

thank god the negative people decided to go somewhere else. It is pretty sad when someone knocks on someone even though that person they are knocking on have done much more for the group here and have attempted things no one else have even dared to take on.

Good luck Hector. I know you will run 15's, even before you get more cooling. i am cheering for you. Screw Dom. he is just envious of you.

Originally posted by TrumpDrewSVT:
thank god the negative people decided to go somewhere else. It is pretty sad when someone knocks on someone even though that person they are knocking on have done much more for the group here and have attempted things no one else have even dared to take on.

Good luck Hector. I know you will run 15's, even before you get more cooling. i am cheering for you. Screw Dom. he is just envious of you.

Kev (I-Dom-In-8) is a real good friend and a good guy. He just had a bad day.

Glad to hear that you guys got that straightened out!

I hope you do run 15's and I think the car is capable of it.

Heck, if my near stock (just an optimized TB) V6 ATX can run a 16.4... A boosted Zetec should easily beat that.

Post deleted by mbb41

Originally posted by I-Dom-In-8:

Originally posted by TrumpDrewSVT:
thank god the negative people decided to go somewhere else. It is pretty sad when someone knocks on someone even though that person they are knocking on have done much more for the group here and have attempted things no one else have even dared to take on.

Good luck Hector. I know you will run 15's, even before you get more cooling. i am cheering for you. Screw Dom. he is just envious of you.

Go screw yourself A$$hole, dont talk to me like you know me.

I wasnt Neg at 1st i was giving MHO and you or anyone else cant tell me to think or say differnet.

Dude, All Kevin did was state the obvious. Switching out a throttle body and adding a heat shield will not lose you 9/10ths of a second. No one said Hector will never be there, just he ain't there yet.

Bad day or not(Kev), 15's or not(Hector), friends or not (all others involved), the "bending" of the rules is getting a little old. Isn't there ANY way all of you guys can state your opinions (no matter how heated they are) without the swearing and personal type stuff??

This is NOT directed at one person, this is to all taking part.

Ray

Originally posted by Ray:
Bad day or not(Kev), 15's or not(Hector), friends or not (all others involved), the "bending" of the rules is getting a little old. Isn't there ANY way all of you guys can state your opinions (no matter how heated they are) without the swearing and personal type stuff??

This is NOT directed at one person, this is to all taking part.

Ray

Number one i stated MHO and i got flamed by everyone and call a hater and what not, I dont care who you are but i dont take crap from no one.

This is an open forum and i can say what i want when i want. I never flamed hector just said he aint their yet and everyone else got all pissy.

As for Name calling go talk to you buddy as far as im concerned.

Originally posted by Bk4293:

Dude, All Kevin did was state the obvious. Switching out a throttle body and adding a heat shield will not lose you 9/10ths of a second. No one said Hector will never be there, just he ain't there yet.

Do you want an explanation?

Swtiching out the TB was more than what it sounded. This was important because 1) The car barely idled 2) Since the Focus TB and Contour TB are different I switched throttle cables(with the Focus cable I wasn't able to go WOT)

The heatshield was important because anybody with a N/A Duratec or Zetec with an open air filter knows....once it gets hot under the hood the performance sucks.....even more so with the S/C. With it cool outside I can hit 9psi.....with it hot it is between 6-7 psi.....now I am at 7-8 psi with the heatshield.

In addition to the 2 points Kevin brought up.....I have redone almost all of my exhaust since then. My exhaust was screwed up to say the least. Now it is all 2.5" downpipe back. In certain points of my exhaust it went from 2" to 2.25" to 2.5".....and as most people know that is not good for performance.

And where are you getting 9/10s of a second......I ran a 16.7 the last time.

Once i get my chip and my misfireing problem taken care of we need to hit the track.

Or let me flop out my plugs again and lets hit the track, Havent run my car since 03

and since then i have done a lot, Gotta see what my 130hp car do.

Originally posted by I-Dom-In-8:
Once i get my chip and my misfireing problem taken care of we need to hit the track.

Or let me flop out my plugs again and lets hit the track, Havent run my car since 03 and since then i have done a lot, Gotta see what my 130hp car do.

Indeed.....you're car should hit 15's too......

Dude its misfiring bad now, Its like bucking, when the air is on forget it she dont wanna go.

What gets me is i just changed them what 5-6 months ago

Originally posted by I-Dom-In-8:
Dude its misfiring bad now, Its like bucking, when the air is on forget it she dont wanna go.

What gets me is i just changed them what 5-6 months ago

Wires can't handle your driving!

hector quit posting and get your a$$ to the track!

Originally posted by I-Dom-In-8:
As for Name calling go talk to you buddy as far as im concerned.

I'm sorry.. I don't know if that was directed AT me, or you just replied to another post in the same post as your answers to me.

I have no idea who "my buddy" is supposed to be, but I'd prefer that I don't get dragged in to this whole schpiel...

Whatever beef you guys HAD, HAVE, or DON'T HAVE, is fine.. I just asked that ALL of you guys stop cursing, etc.

Ray

Damn all this crying over a slushbox...

Yes, I shall swap it out with the money I don't have for the daily driver I'd probably screw up if it were manual. Sheesh!

Gimme a Race-Car-Only Contour and I'll be on the mtx bandwagon

Hey hector, here is an idea, get a vent for your hood, It might make the car run a little cooler, and you might be able to get the 9psi. Who knows, just an idea.

Or get one of those little battery powered fans (the ones where the blades fold in) and put it by your CAI j/k.

kevin, have you changed your upper o2 sensors lately??? it sounds to me like a simialer problem i had last summer....i must have went through three of four set of wires before i realized it wasnt fixing anything....try it if you havent...
bill, i have a perfectly fine mtx you can have for free if your ever in the mood to swap...

Got a subframe as well??

Originally posted by Pre98:
Yes, I shall swap it out with the money I don't have for the daily driver I'd probably screw up if it were manual. Sheesh!

Gimme a Race-Car-Only Contour and I'll be on the mtx bandwagon

Should have bought it is an MTX to begin with.

My car is a daily driver. It gets ~22mpg in city driving and ~28mpg on the highway. That's with my lead foot and living at the redline. I'm sure I could raise those numbers several points if I drove "nicely".

lol But like I said I'd probably screw it up. I gotta find a beater to practice on before I do any .. considerations

Originally posted by I-Dom-In-8:
Dude its misfiring bad now, Its like bucking, when the air is on forget it she dont wanna go.

What gets me is i just changed them what 5-6 months ago

Dom, have you changed the plug wires? That is usually the biggest cause of that kind of bucking. You can change the plugs which will alter the way it bucks, maybe even get rid of it temporarily but it will always come back as the plugs properties change with age and the wires decay more.

Originally posted by warmonger:

Originally posted by I-Dom-In-8:
Dude its misfiring bad now, Its like bucking, when the air is on forget it she dont wanna go.

What gets me is i just changed them what 5-6 months ago

Dom, have you changed the plug wires? That is usually the biggest cause of that kind of bucking. You can change the plugs which will alter the way it bucks, maybe even get rid of it temporarily but it will always come back as the plugs properties change with age and the wires decay more.

Yeah i changed both my Plugs & wires(motorcrafts), I also replaced my coil pack as well thinking that may be it.

We were thinking it may be my plugs because ive been running real rich and that their foled out.

If it was my 02 wouldnt i be throwing a code

probably would throw a code if it is running rich and fouling plugs. In my experience running rich won't cause bucking on these cars. It can be misfiring due to fouling but that is usually a less severe misfire.

If you have changed plugs and wires and it's still doing it... only things I could think of is checking the ground that connects to the bottom of the coil pack and make sure it is properly grounded. Other than that, the only of the thing I can think of is a failing injector.

I know I wasn't part of this conversation, just thinking out loud.

Thanks guys.

Phil please if you have any ideas shot them out, im willing to look into it.

i don't know [censored] about contours

Originally posted by Airforce:
i don't know [censored] about contours

I think he meant the other Phil, Not ricer Phil!!!!